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like to call the order the county and conservation commission of meeting for Wednesday, August 12th and 2026 at 7:05 p.m.

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started with Brian. Abigail Firewood present. James present. >> James Dyan present. >> Peter, do you mind just muting yourself? >> Yeah, I can. Uh, yeah, I can I am present. I can hear you. >> All right. Do you mind muting yourself

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though? >> We'll do. >> Thank you. to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice

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for all. This meeting is being recorded. Is anyone else reporting report? So, we're a little behind on getting out new materials. terribly sorry

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for this transition and that's why we have this doing a good job of 6 review minutes

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have we uh actually the six minutes. >> We don't have the six >> and that doesn't put us behind flush. How far are we behind? Okay, >> that was different than what I just said then. Okay,

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>> did not Monday. >> Okay, so this Yeah, I'll get out of here. Yeah. Um, >> you were on. Yeah yours

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>> right. >> Okay, thank you. >> Sorry. Okay, here we go. Um, okay. Hey, are there any pages? I don't >> but that was what said that

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how to do that. >> Okay. >> Um well at that time they weren't tell what was done when was the last entirely. Well, you remember that what

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17 before it was uncounted that it was really >> No, it wasn't. I remember clearly. No, I mean I've been find out since >> back and said these are where the stops were on the last

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>> 1.5. >> Yeah. >> 72. >> Oh, where am I? Oh, I'm sorry that I guess with everything all together.

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>> Okay. All right. >> Okay. So this that is in regards to the report of not separating it just on the pure fact of the findings.

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That's that's how we completely different people. >> I guess it was on that sidewalk to move. That was the beauty. I guess >> Yeah, I think so. I thought that's what that

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was coming from. I corrected that was something that I thought was okay. Can we can we shut the ball off one time? Well, I kind of address

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Okay, >> I was just to be clear, we're looking at this in regards of that was made for stunt funding. You followed up on it and it was not

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>> fact. >> So you accuracy between 72, but that's not what it says. This is 72. You could review your email. If you want to be these are Yes.

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>> Well, is it possible to put off tonight? >> But you need to bring >> No, I understand. So, we're not. So at this point you feel okay these

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things because a report that you put in about something like >> Yes. Okay. or not. >> I feel peace of mind. meeting. >> All right. So, is there a second?

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>> I'll second. Yeah, I'd be more concerned about the instead of right now I guess Japanese service. Okay. I don't know.

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Mhm. >> Okay. >> I just want to make sure it's accurate. >> Okay. Yes. Yes. >> I apologize. Let's

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do this. 1.7. started before. products. I believe record was generated from somebody in the public. >> Yeah.

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>> Or whatever. Okay. just feel confident. >> Okay. Um the public good No. So if it is something that is pending

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or open after Um certainly available to be honest. Nothing came to start. We've always been able to go to the office. Whatever you need, you have to leave the table

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from the office at the time. >> I recall that was a great question. 2.174 conversion of laundry parking area of PS3. Um, I have something to say before this starts.

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>> Oh, oh, I'm sorry. >> Not yet. I was going. First of all, I'm going to say that um we're here to look at the plans and discuss questions and get answers from the plans. We're going to say we're focused on the plan

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material for another time and place. So, um once we start talking about the plan, uh if you want to talk about >> All right. So uh for full disclosure uh even though uh James has retrieved

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himself I talked with him not about the plan but just procedurally wanted to make sure I follow the rules by so the first thing I'm going to do is to read this notice

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for the Massachusetts wetland protection in the towns and wetland bylaws. The towns and conservation commission will hold a hearing on Wednesday, August the 12th during the 7:00 PM meeting. The hearing will be held virtually via Zoom meeting

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and in person at town hall approximately 7:15 on the amended order of conditions by the concentration commission as 2W203- 161 by the town and historical.

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The property is located 80 main street 34 parcels 4-0 and 5-0. The request for an amended order of conditioning document the elimination of the proposed separate

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limits of disturbance and comp compensatory plantings at town and which is within 100 ft of vegetated wetland parties to speak in support of

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or in opposition to which application may do so at the meeting or in person or in writing. Prior to the meeting, copies of this application are available for review at town hall during business hours include consultation.

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So, um yes, we're ready to hear what >> this has to do with plans. >> Yes, of course. develop this has been ongoing for two years and you know I don't know anything about it

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>> she said that natural habitat >> I'll talk about that maybe a little bit >> okay >> I thought that >> well I explain it at the end. >> It's not really technically, but I'll explain. Okay, Frank, let's hear what the changes

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are going to be. >> Thank you very much. My name is Frank and many file number five. So uh what's the commission to document um what

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plans to document what origally intended what current state of the site is and then I'm going to walk that through first on that was

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elevated use um which of um particular foot was all also this addition to gray church um as well as a forment area

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providing 194t and all. So um this property was proposed here even with the bill for the second field resulted in no net loss. Also this parking area on

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extended up to the 35 south end of um the addition at the ranch but then constructed per

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um the site has been prepped and disturbed within 20 minutes of the original communities that this extent of the gravel shown on this

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plan up to the rail trail. What are you looking for? What are we looking? This is the limit of what's going here down to the trail on this side. Correct. on this side. But I feel like that

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beyond the rail trail and railroad itself. the those locations of the um lamp post >> seem to be where they actually are. Yes. >> Compared to the plans that were

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submitted, the first amended plan, it showed the lamp post in different locations. One of them was if I speak to that specifically when I had I that plan um and my intent was

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that's why they didn't that didn't submitted. Um, and what that had was the light because if you're going for a larger area that

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the light is where they're being I move They would say the location they would have hang up in the middle of what would have been but now what I what I've now come back

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and on conditions in the rec that's that on that as we do that. Um um the east um

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second um the deployment um 36 and 40 regular and red dots here uh were removed um

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probably um light cases and I'm sorry around those we're looking at the alleged stumps

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left of the plan the other ones going over the left >> those are the stumps that are no longer Correct. This is the certain location of where people are not corrected something.

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And the dots that we show there are they were these dots are really not the closest road. as far as we go down. Um, one thing that I don't know

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for a little bit is red on this plan this oval is this shape. So let me see where that field would have been on on current conditions. Uh this red

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shape is this original is this one carry over and show what has been originally proposed on the current condition.

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Um so that is this hole here. This area coming down to the left. is different parking area. And then this at the base

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is still that just a Yeah. So relocation of the week that we move out of that area completely located over across the street on the

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ground line over the piece of property working out in this whole configuration. Sure. Now I prepare this restoration. Um this is this is

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the final condition of so the area that that's been um prepped for um clear. Yeah. Outside of the 35 foot buffer

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within that zone between a 35T buffer and the rail and the railroad buffer and the rail railing um service also has

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um so the mechanism separation from smaller site. Um, this eastern area has 342. >> Is that 312? >> Yeah. >> And the western one has Oh, sorry. The

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eastern one is 371. The western one has 350. >> So that's okay. >> 700 7 almost um

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400 4 500 ft more >> on a on a piece. Anywhere about um and CC the remainder of this area within 50 areas. So on the east side here that's from the 35 buffer

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that's the building on the western side that's around where this throughout. Um my original intent had been to uh

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plant store areas with um conservation wildlife mix and then this area. That's some kind of discussions.

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Um they have um those ideants Um additionally >> so there will be no providing four reds and three small

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around the property. So I have enable yeah it's amazing how they can multiply this um now Um, I didn't do this, but I do know some

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other kind of disturbing numbers. Um, so the plan numbers, but under the original order from 0 to 357, you point that out, right? SQL.

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So that would have been this small area. So it's it's it's a small area just um under current condition

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right now the way it is 2,677 under the restoration plan. Um, 76 square foot as 3550 foot under is 8339.

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Currently at 15t wide area at 78. Um we are going to restore 968 of that and um 1531

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as 521 7700 square ft was proposed in the current conditions 6800 is um reserved um for the restoration

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building service of 465,300 Franks and this is only so this is somewhat So it is but it isn't it is but it isn't the the

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planting in front um that falls and most definitely a replication. So do we have any ability to have that in your replication? Is that in our

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head? I would say that that's definitely in your favor because what we started with was this small area storm water. Um so did it that is now pond

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35t buffer. Yes. But it's going to provide some fun and provide a buffer zone for clean parking grass area and and you know stabilization

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water included on everything exhibit again. Uh so the original intention of of this was a a depression

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small just put in balance South for the property and provide it only only enough if you didn't provide any flood storage.

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>> Yes. unacceptable. But um in other words it didn't take a much larger ability than but but what you have to do is displace

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one of you still have to move it up even though that's around the audience I do not think on these um

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notes place my part on this property negative impact from the original project was the septic point like this is above ground so it

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was while there's negligible amount of earthqu on this property that was a significant change. >> What would be that would be where it is a significant

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I don't have that number but what what what the result is no there's no impact but so the price of this storm water providing about 194t

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That was how I'm going to say that roughly the field rate up was about rough number

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700 with what 340. So with the the team there would have been about 700 lucky providing 500. Yes. Um, and that covers essentially everything

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on the restoration plan has the relocation parking area. Um main areas special seating and participatory treatments. Now last thing

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that I have after my um numbers is we did receive a letter from mass wildlife a notice of non-compliance. Um that letter included a stop work. Uh

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we are required to respond to national wildlife by August 31st 2021. Um draw document um property ownership and commission for all work. I'll provide a

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federal discussion plan for review uh and provide a product narrative documenting the timetable um documentation of all three areas within the habitat which is this blue line here

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is the habitat basically everything kind of everything south of the building is is habitat roughly and they also want additional site overs that is a parallel process to the um to

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this amended order conditions request. Um you can't start work without having socific be more specific. We can't start we can't start work without both satisfying the townation commission as well as

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mass. >> You need to come first. You need to come first. They're both they're a parallel process. >> Yep. >> Both need to be approved before we move forward. Correct. Um and um

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has engaged with um LEC consultants Dwell game Wells who is a an expert on fur production plans. Um I'm sure you've done all this in as well as throughout my

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>> So we already working on that particular aspect of it now. >> Yes, I'm working on that and we will have a response from that >> and it will be with Ganwells >> uh yeah will be engaging with Ganwells will be doing plan. I am essentially

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handling the rest of the items. um any submission that we make to wildlife copying the county conservation commission. So we do >> I wanted to make sure that was he was number one in the camp which is good

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>> question about money a while ago >> um I honestly don't know it it was Not um that >> could you repeat that?

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>> Don't bring up that specific even though the letter say um you don't want to say species because then people take them down theoretically. I forgot my um um

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outside. >> Yes. Correct. Um so so for for Terry we had gotten a um so when you file a notice of intent one of the things you do is

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in the state you can check to see if you estimated or priority out of that through the mass website. If you are then through the 710 process of the state, you check box and you do a visa

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invas. >> Correct. Yes. Okay. I'm a little color blind. I think you said they're agreeing. The two areas that are adjacent to and parallel with the rail. >> Yes. >> Uh and you describe them as storm water management uh areas.

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>> Yes. >> Can you describe them? Are they flat with their plants or they're more like a rain garden? >> So, it'll be like the rain garden. That that's that's should have been what I said. Yes. So the site naturally flows

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down there this way. These both have um the the same 6 in depth. Um so water will flow in percolate at 10 and then they both have

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six millers. The the original one big rear is basically an over we flows >> on on in storm events larger than 10. >> Well, that's good because that was one

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of the suggestions I was going to make instead of a flat area. It's much better and >> Okay. Well, that's great. Um Okay. Well, you're all done.

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Uh I have to end my question. >> No, I don't have a question. What I thought I would do is because I've given it a lot of thought and um I had I have some suggestions that I believe will

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make it um uh the protective the the place better. One of them was to make sure that or suggest that the pollinator garden pollinator garden. That's why

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that is one of my major suggestions. Um, and then uh maybe I could come up and just find a few things out so that people know my ideas and then once I will open it up to the other

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commissioners and have a discussion and then open it up to everyone else and then we'll make a decision. So >> Frank on as he's pointing out whichever >> I would like to get the note from

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heritage public notice. Okay. Y >> and this is my just generated a few days ago which >> natural >> natural heritage we got the comments on

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July 31st I get make a copy >> Mike you go ahead >> so um I'm leaving you know that um

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this was the original plan that we were dealing with. It was amended plan which had the lamp post in a very different location. And so um being new at the beginning here, I got all excited because how could we how could we look

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at these plans but in reality they weren't anywhere close to it. So um we now processed. So I look at the new plans and I see that these are where they're supposed to be. Uh there's one that

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buffer me that I don't know that that one does. So I I wise I think that Meaning that one should be relocated

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or relocation on the number of that. That was the last thing I was going to talk about. So could you explain why it would not be approp for for one purpose? So you need to dig up

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digging up lights. ide the the white pedest I do want to be clear there are not any lights out there at this time with all the white pole bases um so

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that you can have them in one of those garden area but kind of like the escape it's an odd the extent of providing restoration bumper. Okay. Well,

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I was around as well because 35 days which is not necessarily a good thing. um and

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it's construction posting here doesn't seem to have caused any problems um with erosion. So we have to either disturb the soil again to remove it causing a little bit of a problem. Maybe

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not. Most likely not. Or we take advantage of its location and we illuminate that part of the of the but that sounded good to me. Um I wasn't so

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sure if we were going to have a um rain garden type um management management that maybe the trees were necessary um I don't know beneficial or

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we want to replace that taken down beneficial and the amount of space available for you in in the area where where so I felt

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that it put them some they need to go right the original two were right here. Um so I I I felt that trees needed to go back within that

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and you needed seven or I have seven right Frank let's take it in another context I mean we're putting those fees in we're upping our journey

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I mean if that is a gain in that regard can can we take a overview that it's with those seven trees. We're increasing our trees. Those trees represent our billion. Is that another game for us? >> I think we do need

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it. And when we look at that, I think it's 18 by 18 3T six up out of the ground in in that garden area. Piece of concrete and a light would. So in other words, we're trying to balance on the disruption of that

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soil area, which is 100% disruptive right now anyway. Doesn't matter if you do or you don't, but if you can work that, you can leave it better off alone. Put in that nice cast iron post, illuminate that area

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as well. Okay. I wasn't sure about the trees. Uh but what I thought was that um if would it be possible to speculating the reason

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now go back to the original plan called them a lot easier. So um yeah, what I what I did want to come back with was

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that we were what I was looking to do was come back to primarily restoration. So this this is what's been shut up big this size

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and we're having some argument, not as much as what has been all on that that plan, >> right? >> Um but it it's I I

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didn't want to come back and say that we're increases um the disturbance and not not providing. But what I was what I'm wondering and I don't know the answer is that

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calculating the effectiveness of the storm water treatment. Is it possible to extend the parking lot in this direction more in that?

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>> Yeah. So, so right here that filling around the septic fence and the historic society had wished this area. You want to make it look nice.

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Okay, that sounds great. But numbers wise, they decided that they want to Yes. they could expand depending on an option.

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>> So, does that stand as an option for say increase or are we going to accept what we're seeing like? Yeah, that's that am I hearing a suggestion of expanding parking area on this plan or is this

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some something that if come back for commission to read this work? Okay. Then they would ask permission to add. I think that stands to be much more

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feasible main thing as this footprint demonstrates to us had it known or noted that that can become an increase of take and it should

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correct correct one final thing Um, if you could extend this as close to the boundary as you could here if it was located um to um I would stop this one here. That is

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what the photography allowed me to find. If I'm if I expanded out this further, I would be difficult to time that um this side on

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the west side of the west stormwater management area. I didn't go further west because there's an existing brush area here that I didn't want to cut down and and additional service. So going to this side of it, you were going

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you were downward rad. Yes, you're going. Thank you. Thank you. I'm on set. I have I'm uh you know, the water,

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but as a whole, you know, to me Yes. Rail trail. I'm just it just doesn't seem to me like that that one particular light is an issue especially on the upper echelon of

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what do you want? Thank you for all you see. Not only is there also create another way that comes with the public

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discussion is beneficial activities not So you have to reframe it. The idea of performing standards then

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approach it not because too late on what that means. Not only that violation violation to the conditions of the

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original which covers the I'll reiterate that um from the last instruction I said this is not the also says

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as well as running. Okay. Does that make sense? >> You say a river 200 foot >> is that from the water out. >> Yeah. What is a >> colap

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138? Okay. Um, but it's my understanding that it's it's not a >> river interpretation. 10 or more acres covered by water technically called either pond or lake.

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that particular fossil land almost 42 acres of water covered property which would define it a lake in the state of Massachusetts. So that's why I'm just either of any size and I think Mike just pointed out that

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the original uh NOI added as 100 foot and it was accepted. >> I talked to D at work today and for >> the D their guidance is enforcement order.

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They'll put the circuit writer Emily. Well, I talked with her as well and exactly my interpretation of what she said. >> She said she spoke it right with you and that's what she's saying. You need to go back and talk to if that's what she if

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that's your um analysis or interpretation of her description of what transpired and all then that's incorrect. Well, we need clarification from

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that's what she I would um propose that we move ahead with this and then we uh there are certain entities that want to take some action

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there can can certainly do that something to say. Um, so if we just because I'm so new to this, um, if we decide to go against the enforcement order and uh, new,

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how would that process Sorry. >> 138. to move this forward. If we can >> have a if they feel strongly about it, then they can they can uh come to us. If they

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if they look at our plan, they look at the clam if we accept them and they say, "Well, actually those are good plans because the pond the lake is protected and um um they get the parking lot."

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>> My my point is though we're kind of we pretty late and there's a certain process to follow out of work or whatever. I don't know if it's called season or something and you won't work with them until I'm trying to get it to the

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site. >> Okay. >> Nothing nothing is going. Yes. And I feel I'm party when you speak of your original >> 2004

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>> right >> correct in other words you guys so they could still work still work with that NOI and still get the ability to move the septic

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across >> well I don't know why we have a process if we're not contribution that weren't supposed to happen along the way. What's been done? >> We're going to follow the process. positive. >> We're going to decide if we're going to

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accept this plan and um see if there any ludicrous to me going up in the process of publishing it too. >> Yeah, they didn't attract my profit. I

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can't learn. >> Anyone else in the public speak >> I had a question and I want to step up. Um the things that were removed were how much shade?

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>> I don't know. They were 36. >> Yes. >> Which one would I stop? Yeah, >> I guess I guess I'm trying to shade and divided by

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>> so the trees then they'll provide you know >> and they're in the soil. >> They're in the soil. So there's some of them are um there's two here, three here, one in the corner, and

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so um two tall right here will have five along the road. So the public library has

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building. They have two little is a restoration area not we So there was light the lighter green um darker green

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um and that shouldn't have more you're saying that the trees that they were not in the middle of these areas. >> I don't >> they left them for the outside to grow or they're not in the middle of

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>> Yeah. I just It's not just >> Oh, yeah. It's intentionally in this case to regain there >> by going cold water fishery.

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I always do that just so basically they got the circuit saying the same thing when I talked to Emily and I described pretty much what was there. Well, first of all, she said

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if you go outside, the rule of thumb, not their absolute rule, their rule of thumb, if you go outside the limit of work, then you could do an NOI. I pointed out to her that there were some

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um parts to the mitigation uh um that pretty much was prescribed in this plan. And I asked her, well, are they going to come after us? Are you going to come after us? And she said she couldn't speak to them, of

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course, but she thought that as long as the plan shows that we're protecting the lake significantly, maybe don't. >> So the process So the process can play

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out. Okay, we can our process is to decide if we like the plan or not. If you like the plan, we could accept it. The process will play out from their standpoint. If they decide, now we got to check into this and see what's going

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on here and move on from you have the option. You can keep going with it. >> I'm just I don't I'm not being rude. Your option is to vote yes or no. We got a motion move

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through this. You keep saying this this and that. We understand what you are saying. >> So what do we have a motion? >> So I make a motion that we accept the

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amended plan as presented uh tonight. So >> okay, we have a second. Saki roll. >> Abigail. >> No. Yes.

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>> James. Yes. >> No. Great. >> Thank you, Frank. >> Uh, I will say this though. Um, and probably it doesn't need to be said, but I will anyway because I was signing

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on it. Um, there was just to make it clear to everyone. Uh the WPA form five order of conditions. Paragraph C general conditions under Massachusett 15. The agent or members of the

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conservation commission and the department of environmental protection shall have the right to enter and inspect the area subject to this order at reasonable hours to evaluate compliance with the conditions stated in this order and may require

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submitt of any uh data deemed necessary by the conservation commission or the department for that evaluation. Uh it would seem that some people thought that maybe commissioners wouldn't have the right to look out.

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Okay. >> Okay. So we're all done. We're all done with this. Thank you all very much. >> This is fun. This is

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a lot of >> sure you want to understand something. >> Wait, is this yours? How about ready? Here's another one. Pretty sure that's a new one.

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>> All right. Are we done? Um 2.2 2 203 Wall Road certificate of compliance 30852 is 831 this is a old order conditions that

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expired 13 years ago and the house was property changing hands and they discovered conditions to drive by it all looks data. Um, and >> that was a new building or

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>> No, they uh they paid the dollar and >> Yeah. So basically everything's the same on its just >> Yes. >> Yeah. $300 a year.

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>> Really? >> 50 50 a year. So the ceiling after anyway is a motion to accept the compliance. >> Go ahead. >> Okay. Make a motion to acceptance.

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Second 2038 Second Mike 2.3 Harbor shop partners area of wash out and segment running

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into wetland behind plan on here. Hey Alisa, >> hi. How are you? >> Good. How are you? >> Good. >> Did the photos get uploaded to

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the folder? I have a >> I have a couple too if you need them. >> Yeah, we did all the paper. >> Alicia, do you mind just pulling up? Um

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Harley, can Alicia have screen sharing, please? >> One day. I So, um the the sound isn't great. Um so, you may Sorry. You kind of sound like you're underwater. Is this any better?

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>> Yeah. So, sorry if I kind of ask you to repeat. Um, >> do you want me to bring up um a couple pictures? >> Uh, hang on. I have too many screens open.

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So Can you see my screen? >> Yes. >> All right. So, we had David Babel uh David from Babin Landscape put the the waddles in.

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Um and so here is today's photos. from David. And hold on, here's another one. Oh, I thought I had another one. Hold on. Let me open this one. >> Really? Those two pitches tell the tale.

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Well, they almost >> so um so with the heavy the that rainstorm that I think flooded kind of that whole area

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maybe when it whenever it was a week ago. Um I've lost track of days. So it happened. >> Say that one more time. last Monday. >> Last Monday. Yeah. So, so I I'm just

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losing track of days. So, we had to wait So, we had to wait until the water subsided. Um, we had actually, which is probably a good thing, about a week or so before, already cleaned out all of our catch basins.

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>> Um, so at least we knew that the the drains were all clear. Uh it just took a while for the water to subside. So So when David could mobilize from Babin Landscaping, he installed the waddles.

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What he's preparing for you to look at. We asked Dave to give us kind of the scope of work to make the proper remediations that we need to make with this wash out. Um,

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we're also going to put back um probably for years over years um some of this area, this top gravel. Um what we may also look at is try to put

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some sort of a a burm on this corner too because it's the volume. It was the volume and the speed of the water in the back. Um, good or bad, um, we've actually done some paving, so probably the larger

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potholes that had existed probably kept some of the rain. And so now that we fixed some of those, um, the water had some speed the, you know, some speed behind it. So we what we'll do is David was I was hoping I was going to have it

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today, but we'll have it tomorrow. We'll have our suggestions of how to make fixes. We'll send them to you. You can let us know, you know, do this, you're okay, go ahead and do it. And the moment we get your nod, um, Babin will go and

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make the repairs. And then we can either call out for a sitewalk, um, you know, just like we've done before. if you want to walk the site, you know, when he's almost done or, you know, know the schedule of when he's going to be out there just in case you want to make any tweaks. Um, just like

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you've done on our other projects, we'd be happy to, you know, kind of partner with you and make everything right. So part of the issue here is the um the damage that was also done to the budding um rail trail and also the sitation that

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washed into the wetlands on the other side of the rail trail. Though not super extensive, it's extensive enough that the sitation is going to have to be removed by hand. >> Yeah. And and we can make sure that's right, too. you know, whatever whatever

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whatever needs to be done, right? We'll take care of it. Absolutely. >> So, so I'll start with the with Babin's suggestions first, right? And then we can work on that and I'll agree on the scope and then just get it done.

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>> So, I do know from that where we're stand where we're looking on that at that picture on the left hand side, there's a piece of granite in the woods that used to be right there. that >> um y it was there to block vehicles from

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getting onto the rail trail. >> Yeah. >> Um but Bill Ryo is here with Squanico Greenways. >> So I mean we haven't had an official meeting about it. >> You want to come to the table because I I know the relationship. >> Yeah. I have the show. Well, Peter Cunningham is I think you've dealt with

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him. He technical problems connecting so he couldn't hear either so he gave up unlike you. Um, you know, the one thing that as long as we're touching this area, I like to, you know, look on the get the advantage of something. So, this

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is an area that a lot of people convert from the rail trail to Harbor Village or Harbor Village to the rail trail. So I was wondering if we can when we're talking about the plans and what should we do see if we can come up with something that would be a nice stable

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solution but also nice for bikes or walking between the two positions. I mean I think you know both of us um having interaction you know helps your supermarket and also helps you know rail trail users. So if if we're touching

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this and it's all washed out and things like that, let's you know, you know, this is obviously not conservation commission, but from the point of view of what we'd like to do, if we could make it something that is stable long-term and a nice pedestrian and bicycle path, um that would also serve

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everybody's purpose. But if I can just take quick chime in on when I went down for the two times to look at that, I saw three different events where there was foot traffic going right in there. So in other words, he's spot on about the people coming in

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from McDonald's, from across the school, >> even high school. >> These other people were coming in from the gym. And I asked her, she goes, "No, we always come right out of the gym. This is where we do the power walk back." So that we should, what I'm saying, moral of the story is we should

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expedite this, get this done as quick as possible. the way those stakes are, the amount of people that I saw walking in and out of there, that's not a good healthy combination for anyone. >> Yep. Yep. So >> that's I would like to say that it equal

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to of course we need to get that straightened out, cleaned up, etc., etc. But just somebody tripping on one of those, falling onto one of those stakes, it it even if you shut it off, it would be better. But that that's just my comment. Thank

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you. Well, so, so I think we all I I um I agree, right? Like I think we we probably need to I probably we we need to fix it, right? Because of the

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the buffer zone, right? And I do agree that we we need to make it right from the wash out, right? And I think the conversations with the rail trail we can

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continue but I think maybe doing it we do it all at once. I agree with you. It's going to delay it and I don't safety has to come first. Right. So I think maybe maybe what we can do is

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let me get the scope done to make it right and fix it. Right. So we can remove cuz who I want also want those waddles to go. Um and then have the conversation happen at the same time and then see possibly

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what improvements, right? Because I always say I also have to think about safety the rear because we have trucks back there and things. So, uh, we just that will take a couple conversations with us trying to kind of brainstorm what's the best way and where is the

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best way too, right? Because you also don't want people to come off that trail and be, you know, looking at a semi-truck with for the grocery store. >> So, so if everybody's in agreement, I

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think we should do this parallel. Um, make it safe first. do the right do the right thing to you know and then and then have a conversation about uh a logical connection point

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that would just be my suggestion >> uh I agree Kobe I think they got see if they upload um I agree Bill I don't know I that that's perfectly makes sense to me you know she understands what said, but

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she makes a good point, too. >> So, part of the scope um you know, and I'm trying to get the photos uploaded, uh >> but um one of the biggest things in the scope is hand removal of the sulfation in the wetlands. >> Yep.

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>> Um you know, and uh >> when you say hand removal, you >> buckets and shovel, right? Okay. I don't want those guys going over with their hands and removing it. you're good tonight. >> Um,

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>> so I just want to make sure that's on, you know, your radar and I want to you and I I tell you that we appreciate, you know, us taking this on head, you know, head head on and not um, you know, trying to avoid it or um, anything. So

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again, we appreciate um, that. >> Sure. Sure. And and Babin is a known entity. you know, those guys do everything right, too. So, we're all in good hands. But we can just like we've done the other projects, right? Make sure you guys are comfortable. Make sure

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every everybody's good on the scope. Um you guys, you know, as a board are, you know, willing to come and do sitewalks with us. So, we'll we'll make sure everybody is um nodding their heads with the scope before we do anything.

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>> That's great. Um, and you know what? >> Get a step ahead of some of this. We're not going to have this individual there anymore. So, how are we going to communicate if she's got that done? You want to send me? >> No, no, we're going to hold on. We'll get

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>> all good. So, you got a handle on that just because there's no one in the office. >> Uh, I'm going to assume you can have something to us before our next meeting on the 26th. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, I was hoping it was today. So if it's, you know, if not

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tomorrow, it's Friday. So >> our next meeting is the 26th. We're going to handle this with an enforcement order so that the work can be done within the wetlands without um you know issues and we won't have to go through the whole the entire notice of intent process

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correcting you know mother nature um damage. So, um, I make a motion to continue this to the 26th and second. >> I'll second 26th. >> Yes. >> Roll call vote starting with Mike.

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>> Mike Pett, yes. >> Abigail Faroh, yes. >> James Gates, yes. >> James Doryan, yes. >> Sandra Lord, yes. >> All right. So, that's August 26. No time. >> Thank you, Alicia. And thank you for getting them out there to put that out um as quickly as they did.

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>> Sure. Sure. And if obviously if you need anything or think to us just just contact us. Happy to help. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome. Bye guys. >> Bye. >> Thank you. >> Yeah, I actually noticed it probably the

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day after it formed because I was taking a walk down. I'm like, "Oh, wow. A bunch of water went through here." Bye. 3.1 volunteer response forms. We have two of them

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in order to receive them. We have one opening um opening connect and join us and introduce yourself and

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thank you and I was on conservation about 30 years ago. to >> um regardless. >> Um so I

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I know the boys had vacancies. >> Yes. those giving some thought. Um, currently also on the business community and been getting more aware of what's going on

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and I know there's a lot of needs and feel like this board could use help and if I can help in any way I think I would like to. I understand you're also going to be doing recruiting an agent.

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When I was in the board before, I've been through that process. It's it's extra work for the board. I think you have lots of volunteer help. I will try as far as

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the strategy. We don't know. We're not there yet. Oh, >> I'm I'm just speaking perhaps. That's um the the board the board that I was on had more resources provided to it from

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the town. The fact that this board functions the resources we is amazing. I'm not giving you credit what you're doing, but um when I was on the board, we had to administer

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>> all three bases with chosen microphone anymore. We just said they're only looking to give a >> violence, you know, neither say it is except for what it is. go

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to say or so that's my experience you know I did the thing well it's great to have someone who has experience >> um do it's um I would you

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when I do something I want to do it right which is a flaw but um I definitely need to go back and Mr. 131 and you go back into it

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and the coins are also new. So when I was on the new thing was a little that was and I think now it's accepted that we were fortunate we had

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really good water Um, plus it's still a concern. probably have to outsource it because >> I'll take you for it. I like I said, I need to have >> It's not still up there.

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>> I don't have any questions. Was there not enough? >> Oh, there definitely is. >> Send it down. It wasn't >> candy. I'm sorry. >> It's okay. >> I don't know. Brushes are pretty cool, I

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think. >> Yeah. I mean you you gave us your experience. Why did you Why do you want to be cons? >> Um so I I very much enjoy the outdoors. I have a small farm. Um part of my farm is

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actually been let go wild for that's like it's like it's like therapy. I can sit in my driveway. And I think it's I think it's important to

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be smart about, you know, how things are done. >> I'm sorry. I do have a quick question. How long were you on for? How long was he or >> I was probably um

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I'm gonna say five or six years. I was a member for a couple years. I was vice chair for a couple years and I was chair for a couple years. >> Just who was some of the who were some of the members? >> Um

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Michelle Canon >> John Jack >> and Leslie. >> Yeah, Jack was on for a while. Leslie was our admin for >> um

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probably gone. >> Discuss the dates regardless. >> I don't want to discuss the dates. >> How long? Well, it is what it is. So, but I I will add this. So,

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>> I I know Colby um and he's volunteered as well and I'm totally comfortable with whatever decision is. My volunteer form is valid still.

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whatever the future brings. Um, I would totally understand as far as like the learning curve, you know, if mine's going to be steeper, there's there's a smoother transition maybe transition >> as far as, you know, I still need to get

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up to speed on the business of the board, what you guys are doing, how you're operating. Um, >> um, it might also be as far as potential person you're recruiting, it might also be beneficial for that person to have

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someone available that's done aging job. I guess I guess what I'm trying to say is I'm fine. I understand there's there's different things. >> Are we This isn't anything we're going to vote on. >> It is.

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>> Okay. I like Well, might as well. >> I would like to make a motion to bring >> So, it's recommend. >> I would like to recommend. >> Hold on. Before you do that, Brian didn't get a chance to ask.

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How you doing? >> Hi. Sorry. >> No, >> no, no. I didn't catch >> I I I you know, I just listened to what everybody else answered any questions I may have.

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>> Anybody? Oh okay. is getting >> 5:30 this morning. Um, okay. So, do you want to reword that or you want to grab it? >> Mike, you want to

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>> take not a difficult one. So, Abby can do it. I make a motion to recommend um Tim Green to the um select board for

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>> appointment conservation vacancy term ending whatever the vacancy term ending I don't >> yeah we're not filming summits it's >> weing second we'll follow Yes.

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>> Yes. Yes. No, say yes. are important when you're >> so if I say yes >> um if I want to hear

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>> right do I want to hear from >> okay because it's not >> okay >> because it's not >> you know you know how you become the process that's what we're doing right now >> no I got that. But both of us

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>> Okay. I'm not going to pass and then we'll go back to Brian. berries. >> Oh, yes. I don't know how to standing. >> If I say yes, then I still think too.

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>> This is probably the easiest, simplest decision. What it comes down to is >> waiting to see if Kobe gives you the nod. >> No, I want I just want to hear why he wants >> this is his last night here. >> No, but yeah,

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in historically when we have a situation like this, >> okay, >> whoever submits their form first, >> okay, >> gets the first. Oh, see I didn't know that

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>> now after now and that's how personally I've always done it that way. >> I've never been told I can't do it that way. >> When a voluntary response response form is submitted, it is if you are not

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appointed, it is put into the docket. So if a vacancy opens, they get brought up and um asked if they're they get asked if they're full and concluding if they are the process

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>> something else. How >> um well there was six for four positions for the town and meeting room. >> Yep. And there was no recommendation. >> I found it out because I just didn't want to up.

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>> Oh, I know. I was there. >> Yeah, that's right. >> But I don't know. >> I don't know. I'm just saying, >> but that's not that that's that that's there's no recommendation for appointment there. We we get we

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recommend for appointment and then if it's if the position has been posted longer than 45 days we're allowed to appoint that correct changes from >> um >> well this is the first time that this

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>> No it's not for you it is but from >> so in the past first person that admitted it >> gets preference second person gets put into the the bank to >> you know

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it's on the it's on the agenda. We're going to discuss it but I can't hold up a vote. >> Okay. I didn't know how it worked but thank you for explaining to me >> I'm probably terrible at I know I'm terrible at >> no I mean

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I don't know but thank you for I don't Well, you know what I'm saying. I like to be having I'm going to move this away if you don't make it if you don't >> Okay. I my my vote is not going to make a difference in this. It sounds like it's going to carry any. I can still say yes.

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I mean I think they're both capable and confident. All right. >> Yes. >> Uh 3.2 BRF is for Kobe. Um,

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since we most people, um, are you okay with us putting your name in the docket for the next available seat? >> Okay. I don't know about myself. So,

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um let's it's it's um not a secret that sometimes there has been some intensious interactions

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um between you and some of the board members. the disagreements and that well okay one there have been some times when there has been um

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some misinterpret this is this is an example that I think uh this is how I see it. Your heart is in absolutely the right place that you

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really care about the environment. you care about protecting the water and there have been times when I think that your um enthusiasm isn't quite the right word um but your

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zest your zeal for protecting um uh the wetlands carrying out fulfilling your job and I personally think and I could be fine opinion. We had a dis disagreement today

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uh just a few minutes ago. It was it's what it is a disagreement. And so I'm just wondering I'm just wondering I don't know because I think that we

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didn't at times didn't quite follow the steps in the right sequence that maybe could have been taken but that's as an agent as as a member of the commission even this is you know

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this is completely inappropriate. question which is probably not statement and this is completely different any other question I would ask the questions perhaps of

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anyone that came in that I had this personal experience with that I felt but you know as I started to say I think it's amazing order Mike we're gonna move on to So, I'm dealing with this right now. So,

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correct me if I'm wrong, but you're on the zone as well. >> I've been consistently finding that their schedule and conservation commission schedule seem to slip. Um, how are you going to balance it? because

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I'm myself kind of >> pretty zone zoning board of views is whenever but >> it's not regular >> that's what I was thought it was >> irregular but the two it's as if the two

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dates that they gave us for September are the second and fourth Wednesday of the month of September which is the zoning which is when conservation commission I think it's time to

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get a lot of discover as you know >> I really consider um what that means struggling. I just um >> desire

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to I know we're going to go around. >> That was actually my question. I was going to ask you what your desire to to say to me purpose.

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Yeah. My dedication to the environment and natural with me started with 10 years old. Sorry. I guess basically when we start to

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environments and subdivisions and there at the high school. I work for US. ation is for university.

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You have one course and the certificate for graduate certificate on your leading as a conservation agent. What makes you desire to come back in

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the person and then you want out of that come back for reasons that No, I I don't I don't I >> disagree. >> I was just explaining. >> Yeah. Why do you want to come back into

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this? >> Yeah. Well, that's that's basically the funnel. Not not why you're like that. >> And I would just say you're absolutely right. Inappropriate. You just rolled off the facts a little

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bit. It was the point of it was funny. You was It was it was not a good way. Okay. Um among so we can make a motion to separate

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motion to um employment and take both of them to the blackboard um in this um really correct pointing um um again I believe

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the first one that's submitted but there motion or a second >> uh I guess we motion to recommend beh to the Um uh select board for

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appointment. Yes. >> Linda Mac was on this one in 2010. See, I just saw her name on the phone. very small. >> That was just >> that was Thank him for coming in. We'll send into

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the whole meeting. >> Thank you both for putting in the volunteer response to us. >> Can you recognize the signature? >> Um 3.3 uh exparte communications. This memo was

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issued in June. I saw it. >> I will read it. >> Um um so I I found or I saw this on the phone. Uh, so I I felt that it was pertaining to us.

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>> Brian, we're going to put a fork in that was done. Um, so a reminder, exparte communications staff talking point hand out. Exparte communications are communications or information received outside of a posted public

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meeting concerning a matter currently before the board. These communications may include emails, phone calls, conversations at project sites or informal discussions with applicants, supporters, consultants, or members of the public. While incidental or

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unavoidable communication may occur, substantive discussions regarding pending applications outside of the public meeting process should generally be avoided and appropriately disclosed if they occur. Why they matter? Because our various boards, committees, and

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groups often act in a quasi judicial capacity, decisions should be based on information presented as part of a public record and available to all interested parties. Undisclosed exparte communications can create concerns

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regarding fairness, transparency, and the completeness of uh the public record for member responsibilities. If a member receives an exparte communication related to a matter before the scheduled meeting that general expectation is disclosure on the public record at the

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next public meeting or hearing the member should state that an exparte communication occurred. Identify who the communication was with. Briefly sum summarize the substance of the communication and confirm that communication will not impair uh their

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ability to fairly consider the matter or alternatively indicate whether refusal may be appropriate. Best practice is to encourage applicants and members of the public to present information during public meetings or submit materials in

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writing for the record. Please be refrained from engaging in substantive discussions regarding pending applications outside of posting posted public meetings and share with written communications received outside of meetings to staff for inclusion in the

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public record when appropriate. Closing. The goal is not to limit communications but to ensure transparency, fairness, and complete public record consistent with our town practices and mass law. questions can be directed to Karen or

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the state ethics commission. >> Is that something that sent to all of >> Yes. And staff members? Um and I asked I I remembered seeing it and I thought it would be good to read. Um kind of like

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other things that have been read um in July when I wasn't here. Um >> just to get it out there, >> right? I used to some of the and I'm sorry I'm just could you just summarize it that was really long >> he just read it so it's in we all get

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copies >> yeah in everyone's folder there's one >> oh >> so we got it in the folder >> so now you can read it to back to yourself and really digest it >> forunately I can't draw pictures so I don't know how to X I'll read this first paragraph again.

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>> It's right here. >> Yeah. >> Exparte communications are communications or information received outside posted public meeting concerning a matter currently before the board. >> So is this my whose folder is this? >> It's yours. >> Oh, is it? Oh, okay.

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>> Oh, okay. because because I I couldn't create the enclosure and get it like I told texted you to earlier, right? >> Um need me to read you read that first paragraph? >> No, that's okay. I'll just >> um Well, no. Now's the time to ask

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questions if you have them. Even though I you want my copy? No, she has it. >> If I have I'll just be >> You're right. I need to digest it again, but I don't want to hold you guys up. I just most of it.

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>> So, um, if a member, I'll just go through the brief again. Why it matters? Because, uh, because we act and applause the judicial capacity decisions are based on information presented as part of public record. Correct. So if it's not public,

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if it's not documented and someone comes to you and they tell you something, it's it's not public record and it's it's not good. Um it it doesn't promote it limits

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communication really. Um so me again those are highlights again board member responsibilities if members receive an exparte communication related to a matter before a federal meeting. General expectation is to disclose public record which includes state that

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an exparte communication occurred. Identify who the communication was with. briefly summarize the substance of the communication and confirm that communication will not impair their ability to fairly consider the matter or alternatively indicate whether an approval may be appropriate.

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>> Okay, so we talk about the Africa. >> No, anyone it doesn't matter who it is. >> Okay. Um, African isn't >> for some heard the word Africa. >> Nope. So,

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>> I'm sorry. >> Perhaps >> these communications may include email, phone calls, conversations at project sites, or informal discussions with applicants acquireers consultants or members of the general public. perfect. >> I think I had that in mind when I said

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that I even though James had refused himself, I had talked with him about the process. >> Okay. >> And so I wanted to make it open and clear communicating with him

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>> about the process about the process. >> Okay. Fair enough. Okay, one more time. Um, also since July 23 is your last day, holding >> next is that

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>> 1.1. Go ahead. Let's get what >> you do the same one resignation effectively 13 um July 23rd uh I am writing planning announcement resations

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agency with the founding son August 13th after celebration I decided to see new opportunities steps underline my career obsessive working for town has been a rewarding experience and I'm grateful for everything I have learned and the opportunities I have been

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afforded during my tenure uh I would like to send my sincere thanks to the entire team for fostering such positive work environment we're understanding and support during the change period as regards I like this moment to thank for his time here.

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>> Yes, thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> I know we are not the easiest group to go through. One was the best environment overall, but I appreciate your effort, the time you put into this

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and your patience with us. Go ahead. >> Go ahead. Come up to the table so we can hear or they can hear. It's been a long way. There's been a several people have been help very helpful.

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Um here the assessor's office and most of all very detail oriented. So I just want to say that a lot of

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dedicated hardworking people here. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. Planning board mandatory referral notice um in accordance with mass general law chapter 40- section 11 and council

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zoning bylaw section 145-42 site plan review special permit section 145-65 special permits and section 145-51 total communication and photos the planning board will hold a public hearing on

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Monday, August 24th, 2026 at 6:45 p.m. in Blackboard Chamber 272 Main Street Mass regarding an application from Masuda um of SBA Steel LLC to a special permit for an existing cell tower

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located at Del Road 28 block 56 lot zero drone residential RA. The hearing will be held in person with a full Zoom option full access detail details will be posted at least 45 hours

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prior on the town's website under the upcoming events calendar. Um application materials available in the planning board in the county park. Um do you have any behind the senior center?

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>> Yeah. Oh, okay. >> It's been there how many years now? >> It's been quite a while. I can't put it back on the old >> Y questions. No comment.

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My only problem is that >> it's been a long time. conferences. I will get everyone's in books. I'm sorry I haven't yet. Um coming up

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uh six so items for the session meeting notice of intent for 0 road D number 3080729 which is reopening hearing and then notice of intent for two6 for

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two berry lane. >> There was also there's also one for >> back. Yeah. So zero se was coming back in front of us. Wayne's coming back.

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Does planning move forward with that or when? I don't know. Sorry. I'll ask 26 at 9:31.3. >> Sorry, I just 6.3. I don't know when that >> Oh, okay.

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They remind me 6.3 I don't know TVD >> um >> and then 6.4 actually require 63. So 16 is what >> continuation. >> Yeah. >> Oh, >> sorry. I don't that's okay.

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>> I didn't know if I zoned out. >> I zoned out. All right. You mind citing that uh motion like to make a motion to adjourn at approximately 9:32. >> I second

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call vote starting with Mike. Yes. >> Farley. Yes. >> Yes. >> Thanks for doing this. >> Hey hey hey. Yes. You good to adjourn? I just Yes, you're right. Yes.