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Thanks. Be a good time to tell you my Yeah, I guess broke his arm like 6 o' It's 6 o'clock August 10th. I'm going to call our meeting to order. Will everyone rise in the pledge of

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>> allegiance to the flag of the United States of America indivis one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all >> the roll call. We are missing one. He is

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out in the Black Hills on vacation. So, I hope he's having a good time out there. I'll need a motion, a second to adopt tonight's agenda, please. >> I move to adopt tonight's agenda. >> I second a motion. There's any questions or changes we

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would like to do with tonight's agenda. >> Yeah, we talked about um moving which number one on new business to the last item. >> Okay, >> that means that Bob started waiting while he's like the second the

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>> Oh, sorry. Am I wrong? >> Number two down. No, I think it's number number one to five. We're just moving everything down. All right. Thank you. Any

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other questions or changes? Okay. I certain reason why I was confused but in fact it said by normal state >> affairs um is there have been some discussion about the cyber security issue in the law and whether or not that

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should be a closed part of the meeting and I would suggest that >> no that was not >> is that am I wrong about that? Yeah. >> Yeah. I am >> that we're talking about closing perhaps.

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one. >> So that is the one that you want. >> That's still okay. That's office. That's not water again. Yes, that's appropriate. Never mind. >> Sounds although cyber security would be a matter we could.

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>> Yeah. No, I when I saw that, I guess that was my my initial reaction, but unless you're dealing with u specifics and quite honestly, you may want to do that. >> If you're going to be closing any part of it, you might as well closing both. So my statements already in the packet

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which has already been distributed for very short and sweeters. All right. >> Okay. It's really just a PSA. >> All right. Well, we'll go ahead and with one move down to the last one of new business. Uh all in favor of adopting

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tonight's agenda say I. >> I. >> All right. Um moving on to the consent agenda. Do I have a motion and a second, please? >> I'll make a motion to accept the consent agenda. >> I'll second it.

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>> Any questions, changes, or consent agenda. >> Uh, I have a number of things I wanted to speak to. Um starting with the June 22nd um meeting minutes

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um under so right at the tail end of the minutes uh third paragraph down not continued those that are spreading rumors should stop etc etc. Um,

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I had suggested that council direct our city attorney to follow up on the matter directly with the individual who was accountable for that. Um, which we did. Um, but I don't remember

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if there was just a consensus required of if there was a motion. I'm not sure what what transpired in that part of it, but I don't quite recall. But I I do remember asking uh Fritz if he could follow up and he followed up.

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>> So um I would like that added um to the minutes. I'm not sure what um what happens to the follow-up document how that gets treated or handled. >> At this point there would be no reason to change its status. It's not

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anything that needs to be more public than it is already, which is something public. I'm getting scrutiny from the member of the press over there. You needn't worry. But yeah, no I I follow through on it with some correspondence that was kind

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of between me and Okay, so um that was the one comment I had on the the meeting minutes and if anybody else had anything else before I move on to something else. >> Okay. Um I did want to highlight uh just go to

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the um fund cash balances I believe on page FH6 17 sorry I believe 17 um you'll see our fund balance general fund balance now has positive balance of

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$160,000 um $189 basically Um, we did finally receive the county property tax settlement. Um, it was, um,

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better than what we had budgeted for by about $42,000. Don't know why. Um, we may have new properties or maybe some of the assessments came in differently. I'm not sure. And I'm also not sure that that's gonna transfer into the second payment turn on, but that um that's just a

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general fund. Um so that's that's good news. Um and it uh put us in a better position ex exactly this time of year last year than this time of year last year with our fund balance. So another good piece

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of news. Um, another good piece of news is the Springs in property owner did pay their first half portion of uh, property tax and abatement. Um, and the abatement was $33,674 and that went back to the capital fund.

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So you'll see the balance in the capital fund has increased as a result of that uh which is now $200,729. Um in addition our LGA was received and that was exactly on budget. Uh a couple

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of things came in uh from the well one thing from the state the small cities grant came in lower than projected. Um it's based on some formula which I don't quite understand, but it came in a couple thousand dollar less than what we had budgeted.

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Um and the um the solar um reimbursement we get um that came in lower than expected to lower than we budgeted I guess. Um, and again that's all based on um their production. We get

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I forget what the tax rate is um but we get 20% of it. My county gets 80%. Um just make a note the sewer fund is uh uncomfortably low fund balance. Um,

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no real remediation for that. Um, although one thing council, uh, this council and future councils need to remember is the city did take a loan out of the sewer fund. Um, it either can or cannot be paid back depending on what

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the council chooses to do. It doesn't have to be paid back, but it can. >> And then the amount of that >> with interest is over 100,000. Oh. I think the original principle was like 90 91 something like that. Um we can talk

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about that more when we're when we get into budgeting. >> Yeah. But want to make sure the incoming council is aware of that because none of us were coming. Um that's it. >> Thank you.

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Robert, do you have anything you'd like to discuss or nope? committee to approve the postgend. >> Okay. Um, one thing I'd like to bring up is we did have discrepancies with the

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minutes on June um 22 >> um from a resident. And so I'm thinking that we should work with Fritz and Sherry before we approve them. So, I I would like to remove those from tonight's consent agenda and give us a

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month to rectify any issues there might be and make sure that we're not missing anything. >> Mr. Mayor, it's just that you remove and then table those next. >> Okay. So, um do I make a motion on top

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of the motion that's open right now? >> Yeah. Okay. Um I I I'll go ahead since I brought it up. I'd like to make a motion to remove and table the June 22nd uh minutes. >> I'll second that.

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>> Any other questions on that right now? >> All in favor say I. >> I. I. >> All right. Uh any other questions on the consent agenda? Okay. All in favor of approving the consent agenda minus the minutes that we tabled? Say I. >> All right.

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Now we'll move into public forum. I'm in a different room. I don't have any sheets given to me, but we're all staring at each other. So would anybody like to take three minutes and speak while we're here? Yeah. Um I don't really know, but guess

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might be on your additional tax receipts. Would there be uh some cleanup money from the motel property coming back on the first half? I could give the explanation of that. >> No, I explained that separate. That

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>> wasn't part of the general fund. >> I was just throwing that out there. I wouldn't know. Um there were some minor um so the number I took was just a regular general fund um dollars that we received from the

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county. There were some uh overdue that were in there as well and some other minor things. I stripped all of those out. So um so it was a direct comparison of the what we budgeted for general funding. >> Okay. Then the other thing I have

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I noticed on the agenda late in the new agenda there's some quotations on security gates and panic buttons and all that kind of stuff is is due to a guy that a lot of us know that kind of went off as lost his marbles last last week

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or two. Anyway, I talked to his cousin. He's under armed guard at the uh Fairview Hospital right now. And then he will be just so people know. Um and then he'll be uh arrested and and kept in

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jail for some time to come to SP for terroristic threats. But I guess it may not be from what happened here. It may be from other things around town that was called. So I would just hate for the council to get a knee-jerk reaction like happens

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too often. Spend a bunch of money because of this. Let's let get better bids. Think about it. Think about the alternatives about security for the staff. I mean, there's no way to really have ultimate, in my opinion, ultimate security. I mean, you could have

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somebody hiding in that forest out behind when they go to their car and jump out at them 3 ft away. I mean, um, an alternative think about might be like they do down in the cities, people have to go to work late in those office buildings.

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There is trainers that come out and teach situational awareness and all kinds of I don't mean judo and karate and that kind of stuff. I mean teach about awareness, how to be aware of and what to do so you have a plan of action to you know as it's happening. I think

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that would be much cheaper than spending 30 40 $50,000. spend a couple thousand on expert to really, you know, dig into how to react to situations because you really can guard against everything. You can work at a post office and you can be

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shot. You can work at a church and be shot or a school. And what about the poor gal with purple hair down a quick trip, a calendar that wide with people coming in? It's just part of our culture today. You just got to be aware. That's my opinion. What should be done?

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>> That's three minutes. Well, so we did a deduct for the >> Thank you, Rick. Appreciate it. Thank you. >> Yeah. Any other comments? >> Okay. Well, thank you all. Um we'll move

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into uh old business then. Uh the Northstar Group and uh Mike um take >> he's not here. >> He's not able to make it today, but I told him that's okay. >> Okay. Um, I felt like his proposal was fairly straightforward. >> There's a lot of family.

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>> Yeah. >> Um, so basically, I know we've been working with Mike and Todd and um, Mike's been a wealth of knowledge moving forward. Um, he's really served and helped our office a lot. um taking a lot

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of work that we would have to go to another another company that would cost us double what he's charging us in here. at least at least. Um so um he put a proposal together just um so that we can keep him not on, you know, staff

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necessarily, but at least we have them available. Um and he gave us a rate um of $75 per hour um to keep on utilizing. Um and and continuing moving forward because I think they've done a lot of good stuff for us. Um so um

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I know I'm summarizing it and really doubling it down. I mean, but um we'll need a motion in a second and then discuss it on the board of this proposal. Yeah, I'll I'll make a motion that we approved um for the proposal um

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for uh from the Northstar for professional services proposal proposal for Mike. Secl. I just I just have one comment on that proposal. >> Um $75 an hour.

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It would be kind of good to know how many hours we're talking about on a monthly basis. Um cuz you know I used to work for $75 an hour and that can be a lot of money in a week and a

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lot of money in a couple weeks and so I'm wondering if we should cap um the amount that we're paying him on a monthly basis and actually proposal did that and so I'm wondering

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if we should just go back to Mike and ask him, you know, and and staff, too. How many hours per month you anticipate that you're going to use Mike's time? And and I know that that might be difficult to do because we have a lot of projects that we're working on, not the

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least of which is completing a comprehensive plan. Um, and land use and everything that goes with that. Um, you know, that could be really involved and take a lot of his time. Um, so I'm just

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wondering if we can quantify it a little bit so that we're not out there and owing him at the end of, you know, at the end of the month $15,000 because right now I don't know where that's coming from. So So can you

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can we talk to Oh, go ahead. of whatever you've done. I was working with Mike when putting this together so I can speak on your questions as much as I can. >> Okay. So my question is can we do that? Can we cap is is monthly hours.

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>> Yeah. So part of the reason we went with an hourly rate is and yes I think maybe a cap would be appropriate. You can definitely do that. Um, but I was uncomfortable doing like a monthly amount like a like a retainer and then a

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monthly amount because the when we need him fluctuates so much like we might not need him or like I might not have the capacity to work with him for, you know, a month but then the next month I might need him for oh this this this and this are due and you take

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this this and this. So, um, that's why we didn't go with a monthly and we went with an hourly so we could use him as needed. And then he has two different rates for two different types of of projects. And part of the perspective

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there, um, part of it was to kind of help me with some zoning things. And my hourly rate at time and a half isn't that much less than his 75 if you consider that over time.

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So I think what he had was very reasonable. Um, and yeah, you got to discuss maybe what's appropriate for for a path or um maybe it would be appropriate for me to

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ask my lesson on or whoever, you know, maybe you or Jim and the finance guys if I could utilize him for said projects before we move forward with it without council approval or um if council wants

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to be more involved maybe every month we can kind of be like, "Okay, what's on deck?" Um, we can do it that way, too. So, there's just a few different ways to go about it. So um without council approval,

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um, he could work almost 27 hours a month and not go over that $2,000 cap. So, I don't know if you have any history or estimate on how many hours that he

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has been working or might be needed, but that's one good indicator that not to exceed 26 hours a month unless directed by council. And then if you know it's going to take longer, you would have to then prepare

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and have him submit something to >> instead of hours since he has two different hourly dates. Not 20,000 >> combined. Yeah. Yeah. >> Y just using the $75. >> Yeah. >> Over something like you're saying

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municipal services only be the 75 project funded >> was basically saying if we have a project that he has to do >> and we're getting reimbursed through grants or whatever he would charge 95. Right? That's what I read when I read it. So, >> and another perspective is um like say I

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need help with something. My backup right now is Golden Rank and they're 175 an hour. >> So, I think what he is very reasonable and um depending on how much you know you guys want me to use him, we could get up to a more manageable level. So,

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we wouldn't need him at all or as much. would not receive 2,000 a month. That works for me. Yeah. >> Yeah. I think that's >> And as Elizabeth said, that's not part

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of the line for any given. >> That doesn't mean we're going to max them out every No, >> really. >> But we don't want projects to be like held up. So, for example, we had a safe routes to school project that we wanted to move forward, but um I'm I'm

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backlogged. So, you know, it would be a lot on me to move that forward. So, that was an example of a project that we would probably have been move forward on something that needs a little bit of project management. >> And I think coming into budget season, we can budget maybe more towards him and

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less from Yeah. Yeah. >> Just because I like that one. Not to say that they both do a good job, but Mike really has a >> I wish he was here to give this feel, but he like uh he really has a passion

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for planning and a soft spot for these small cities who can't afford quality, you know, planning services like these. His passion is to come and help out at a decent rate. It's there's a lot of passion behind it.

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$75 worth of professional services on he knows having participated process a lot of other things he knows us really well knows well >> y >> so um there's a lot of there as well >> yeah both Mike and Todd have been so

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helpful to us for this last Um, fabulous. Any questions, Carol? >> Um, do we want to revise to not exceed 2,000 per month?

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>> Otherwise, she has to come back to council. >> Right. I'll amend my motion uh to approve the professional services agreement with Mike Darl uh as is uh with the exception uh not to

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exceed $2,000 per month without council approval. >> Second that. >> Any other comments? All right. All in favor say I. >> I. >> All right. >> Okay. So, um, number two, under old

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business, um, we put data center back on here. Um, we're going to let Fred kind of go over some stuff. Um, we have some residents that are deeply concerned. um they're not here tonight, but um that

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the future councils will go ahead and allow um data centers under Taylor's Falls. We do have it in our ordinance right now that you can't be in Taylor's Falls with a data or a center and I don't know what more we can do. So I wanted first just

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to kind of speak. Um we've been requested to do a moratorum on top of this. Um, and I don't know why we would do a mortorium since we already have an ordinance. So, I wanted him to just kind of educate us. Um, and I was hoping those uh individuals are here. Unfortunately, they'll have to read it

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in minutes or watch the video, but uh, France, I'm going to let you take it away. >> Okay. Well, thanks. First off, I there is a summary that we're in materials that I believe were prepared ultimately wrote that. >> I apologize and they just hit very nicely. Uh what

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I'll just say is that Taylor Falls actually you prohibited that these data these data centers from from being built anywhere in your city before it got to be a thing. U kudos I guess to for

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catching that way and all the rest brought it up actually. >> Okay. And you Mr. Mayor and everyone else. So you're you're ahead of the curve here. The question is, okay, you prohibited you prohibited in your ordinance. What if somebody wants to build one anyway? And that's the same in as it is

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under any other circumstance where somebody wants to construct something and your ordinance prohibits. Uh it's hard to do. You can't do it without all kinds of gymnastics or an emergency or anything like that. You're about as safe from Taylor's falls from data centers, at least based on your

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ordinances, as anybody is in the state. Um, does that mean that somebody could come a incredibly wealthy developer and, you know, dangle something in front of you and, you know, all I need you to do is just uh shut up. Um, well, this would

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prohibit that from happening, but you still couldn't build it. You know, bottom line is you prohibited it. Most cities that talk about a moratorum are are seeking a mortorium because they don't have this in their ordinances and are trying to and are trying to prohibit

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it. And I've had at least one call from someone saying, "See, I understand that uh you guys did this." And I said, "Yes, we did. How are you going to do it?" Oh, it's pretty easy, really. You know, you there's a list of prohibited uses in your city and you put data data center

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in it, you're done. Uh, so you're you're going to see more and more of that. And I suspect again, by the way, that that Taylor Spouse kind of led the charge on this, maybe not realizing that you were carrying a sword and shield as as you were, but you uh you did the right

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thing. And there's really nothing else that I could advise you to do at this point. Certainly not a moratorum because a moratorum is something that prohibits um these kinds of developments from occurring while the city studies the issue of whether or not it should

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prohibit it. But it already prohibited it. Um there's nothing to preclude you from more study if you want, but you don't have to have a moratorum in order. So you you beat to the punch. Nice problem, I think.

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game on something for us. And I I did put together the fact sheet. I had Chris review it and I had Elizabeth review it. Um it's included in the packet today. Um quite honestly, I'm really tired of spending more than

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once on data simmons anymore. Um it's so unproductive. Yeah, we'd have a prohibition in any zoning district, all zoning districts against them. Period. Um, so I would suggest

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put this on our website so anybody who gets any questions about it, just direct them to that. It's one page, clear and concise. Um, and I'm I'm not going to respond to anybody

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other than that to point them in that in a direction of the fact sheet. Um, so that's one suggestion I would have. Um, there are people who are concerned about what a future council may hold may do. Well, even what this council could do.

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Um, but it's mostly what we did this. So, what about a future council? What can they do? Well, it's an ordinance and any new or um revisions to an existing ordinance have to go through a specific process.

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It takes time. It requires a public hearing. Um, can you do that? Yeah, sure. A new council could eliminate this provision. Um, but I would just encourage people, um, I don't same who's running for

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council. I don't think anybody would do that. Um, but I would just say, um, ask those questions of the candidates. Do you support a data center in our town? Okay. What? No.

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Um and um and then if something changes, there will be a public hearing. Show up. It's all you have to do. And the last thing is that you know we've been asked, well, what if Schaefer Township goes on?

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Well, that's not our concern. Um we're going to focus on matters that relate to the city of Taylor's Falls. I'm not going to stick my head into what Schaefer Township is doing. It's Schaefer Township in a county matter. It's not ours. Um so, um

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go to county planning meetings, go to Schaefer Township board meetings if you want to. Um but don't come to the Taylor Falls City Council and ask us to intervene on on another municipality.

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I don't think that's appropriate. I'm wondering if some people don't want to do that. If you forheaded future council binding them in the future, you can't do that. I always thought it was difficult to just straight out prohibit something. I

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always, you know, heard that, you know, in the zoning ordinance, you had to have some sort of spot, even if it's on the extreme north side of the town or whatever, and it's got to have this and that and the other thing. Uh, but you know, I always thought you had to have some kind of a provision for just about

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anything. I remember that when I was a mayor in Chicago City is there was a somebody that wanted to to put a basically a strip bar >> in and and so that was there was a big discussion about that. And so, you know, we put we put all these rules together.

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It's got to be in the industrial park. It's got to be this. It's got to be that. and made it extremely difficult but you couldn't prohibit it and I know at the county level I proposed a moratorum on uh data centers for 12

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months and it had passed through the the county board and as member of the planning commission we're going to start working on regulations for you know to address a lot of the negatives that data centers bring but and then put together an ordinance and so I wanted to invite

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you guys to particip ate if you wanted somebody to participate in that process and and then you know maybe maybe either learn something or you know through that process or you know or just stick with a prohibition if it works.

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>> Well the other thing we don't even have nothing to build. >> So Mr. Mayor, if I could I could respond to that. >> Um, that's the one exception um where you have to come up with something and that's uh porn and script clubs and

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things like that and that's because of the first amendment. >> Oh. >> So, you're not allowed as a city to to prohibit, you know, the the free expression and let's not even get into that conversation, okay? The the free expression that that that represents. of

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somewhere it has to be allowed. And that's true here too by the way and everywhere. But this is not that. And if if the city chooses to prohibit a particular use, which the city has in this case, and the county could too, um

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it can do so. >> Okay. Thanks. >> Any other comments? >> I just have one. >> Yeah. With regard to data centers and Taylor's balls, it's not who we are.

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Sallalls we. We just rebranded. We are the store charm and scenic activity. Data centers don't fit into that definition. And so um if I should be so fortunate to be

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elected may not um I that would be the last thing that I would ever contemplate in the STEM the last thing. So it's I just don't see it in the future at all. It's not who we

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are. Thank you. Yeah. I don't have anything else to say. I just we're done talking about it now. >> You said we're done talking about it. The um the thing that's being brought up

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over and over again is what can we do to strengthen our position on data centers? Can we do a memorandum of understanding like scandi? So that's what's stirring in addition to the moratorum and I've explained over and over again that you know that it just doesn't make sense to

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do a moratorum. But what about a memor man memorandum of understanding and I did say we would ask right so um do you have any comments on memorandums of understanding for data centers

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>> I won't be long >> uh memoranda of understanding usually in something like this has to do with a developer coming in and trying to reach some kind of overall rearching agreement um the city would be prohibited from participating allowing a

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that would be illegal under the city's point of view. In other words, let's say you've got a development that's going in and the developer is going to be investing a certain amount of money in on the site wants an assurance or at least an understanding as to what the city's position would be with respect to

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different kinds of issues. One of the things that would be on the table in a situation like that is this prohibition. and the city isn't in a position to argue that it is going to allow this at some point or at some point in the future. That would be the thing that a

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memorandum of understanding would contain. So I think when people talk about this, the concern is in an environment where you've got and I don't know what the situation isn't scanned yet, but but where you've got a lack of clarity on that issue. um a memorandum

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of understanding is designed to more than anything really protect the developer but also to some extent to the city where some issues aren't cleared or there's some variability in the issue. Um when that came up in the context of Taylor's Falls, I really didn't

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understand where people were coming from because a developer coming into Taylor's Falls would have to immediately see that it's prohibited here. Period. And you know, you're not going to get any city that I'm aware of to say, "Oh, yeah. Well, it's prohibited here, but

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let's do a memorandum of understanding and we'll just ignore that." Um, it's just it it doesn't work that way. That's how it is. >> I believe there's a belief that there's a data center going in down. So, see now talking with developers.

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Um so that's where that probably came from. >> I wouldn't tell anybody. >> And I think in this case, Prince, the theou that Scandia is talking about is very much similar, I think, to what the

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fact sheet that we have. It's really just an educational tool to get out to the public because they have they have prohibited them as well from what I understand. Scandia has but there there was still some unrest similar to here.

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So I think what they did or planning to do is just put together kind of the fact sheet say this is the situation. Don't you know don't lose any more sleep over it. Um, so I I think we've complied

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basically are compatible to what Stania was proposing. The way I read the news on that >> just marketing then >> well the me if I may memor stand exactly termark. So I think that

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probably produced a little bit of confusion. I think and what you put together, Councilman, if you put that on the city's website, I don't know what else you can do to enunciate that any more clearly as to what what Taylor's position is. And if that's essentially

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what they're trying to do by another name, I mean, yes, we prohibit it, but we really really really mean it. we're going to put it, you know, which is really what what this memorandum mean to call it something is what it sounds like that makes it sound like something

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that it's not. Uh I would think that that would be actually a risky term for them to use because a me memorandum of understanding actually implies that you're in the process of trying to work out some agreements or potential agreements with with somebody for development. And that's the last thing I

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hear um going on here. So yeah, I didn't quite understand their use of >> Yeah, is that is not this good. >> It's recorded. It's going to be on the website. We're all good.

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>> Thank you. >> Um All right. Any other comments, questions? >> Um no data center. >> Uh community center project. Gary, >> how are you? Thank you. >> How are you, sir? Good to see you. Thank you. It's good to be here. Actually, I

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uh it's been a while since we shared anything and I thought it would be helpful for those of you who this is the project we're actually talking about that's the railroad buildings and I thought it'd be helpful if we could just review a few things and just give you an

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upgrade as to kind of where I'm at and what my struggles are keeping the project going. I also included a packet for you today on historical information and I did it because I found that there was a lack of historical data being

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kept. And I think it's important when you have a building that's this old that is now being cared for that we take everything we've got and dump it in a file. I'm going to redo this file because it's a little scratchy and a

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little bit nasty. But then I would suggest that we would also take that to the next level. Any work we do be well documented ahead of time so that we can 30 years from now somebody you and I aren't going to be around here talking about this anymore. We somebody could go

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back and and look at that data. Um and I think it's important. So I I will enter this into a new file certain way. I mean I think in general I'd like to talk just a little bit about the grants

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and kind of going forward we have applied for a grant with the St. Valley Foundation and their subsidiary which is the Sasago County Community Foundation which is the arm their arm of St. Greg Valley

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Foundation. They have agreed that there is a grant applicable that could apply that we could apply for. They encouraged us in on the first phone call to try to find a matching grant. In other words, go to Fred C. Anderson, go to Katherine

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Anderson, go to maybe the Railroad Museum, and I've got a listing of other grant possibilities. Believe it or not, what's really interesting is there the Minnesota Historical Railroad Museum out of Oyola. Why it's in the Minnesota

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Historical Museum in Oyola, Wisconsin, but they are a candidate for some kind of tie in with your railroad building here. And I think it stands to reason something like that will happen. In addition to that, we have the

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Burlington Northern um Heritage Foundation and the Minnesota Historical Society. And I've been a little bit reluctant because of course, one of the first things they do once you're in their portal is start giving me a budget. Well, I can't give them a budget. I can't give them a budget

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because I don't have all of the answers. But when Elizabeth and I have spoken about this, it looks like next week the SGI uh assessment will be done. However, they told us they're not going to have the results back. Was it for

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>> two to three weeks? >> Two to three weeks. So, in waiting for that, I thought it doesn't make any sense that we're waiting for that assessment to come back because the windows don't cost any more to put in if they have asbestous in them or not have

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asus in them. In other words, windows are windows. What ends up costing more money is the dispersal and the disposal of anything that's hazardous waste. In other words, if we find lead paint, if we find mold, if we find astus, it's

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going to maybe cost a little bit more to get rid of that stuff, but it's not going to cost any more to replace the windows. So, what I of course would like to do is start putting the RFPs. I did a draft RFP yesterday u for the HVAC. I'd

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like to do one for HVAC, kitchen, the roof, and the windows. If I could get those four done, I think I'd be ahead of the game because if we wait, we're going to be taking windows out of a building in December and January

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when that's not good timing. And I'd like to kind of button up the bones to this building and get that all at least in process. Um, and thank you for your encouragement. I did talk to a Hback locally and I know that you would like

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me to pursue some of those. Of course, they need to be fair bids and they need to be in the running, but I'll yield to your city attorney when it comes to the RFP. I'm I'm not drafting that. I'll prepare the document and make certain that somebody got it, but

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none of this I'll be um I think it's important when you go in this grant that you're not just seeking grants someone that's going to hand you money. In other words, I believe that it should be a combination of corporate

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partnerships, individual giving, a fundraiser in the town because I can easily see a Christmas fundraiser for that building. And again, I I'll pull some help in and get some ideas on doing that. But I think if we just said we're going to go after grants, I think that

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would be a mistake. I don't think it's wellrounded enough. It's actually a little bit harder um for the community to kind of even accept that. I know the goal here was that people did not want to see the taxes go up. That's my goal,

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too. But ultimately, I think there's enough sources out there beside the taxpayers that can absorb the costs of this building being redone. And and I like it. The other thing I did is I thought it'd be helpful if we would

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position myself as some kind of a project manager, but the project manager with the city needs to have some restraints. I mean, I've heard some restraints on on Mike's contract. I mean, ultimately, you can't just give me an open checkbook. I can't commit you to

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spending money unless you tell me I can. So going the RFP process that kind of keeps me in check also and makes certain that I'm not going above and beyond. But ultimately this is your project. So it's not my project. I'm just the guy that's

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holding everybody's hand and trying to get through it. I do think it's important that we talk about the amount of time. It's going to be it's going to be a year and a half of money. But I'm I'm prepared for that. And I

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think once we get the assessment back, I think we'll have a much easier time to kind of move forward and think positively about this. I don't think it's going to be the doomsday news some people expect.

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If, for example, the inspection comes back and say the building is absolutely so full of asbesus, you shouldn't go in it. There's still a cure for that building. I'm not suggesting you should spend millions of dollars on that building, but likewise,

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if you told somebody tomorrow you were going to tear the building down, they'd probably go crazy because it has such a historic significance in this area. So, I think we need to be cautious on that and whatever we do, be sensitive, just

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not spending more than what we feel the building is going to. Any questions? Any questions? Um, >> you mentioned four projects, roof replacement kitchen

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HVAC, and what was the other >> we're doing a mold check. I know that actually the city paid for a camera with a light on the end of it. So, we can when we drill a hole in the wall, we can now look in We can now look in that hole and

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decide what's in it. Before that, we weren't >> windows. Oh, windows roof. >> Sandra, when you guys were doing the breakfast, we had gas issues on the gas issues. Oh,

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>> it's in that thing. >> I don't think I told you that, Carrie. >> No, I don't. >> Yeah, it's not the kitchen. That's all. >> It needs >> Well, let's talk about the kitchen a second because I think it needs work.

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toothpick. >> It needs I think it needs the door opened up to the bathroom so that it could be a H a handicap accessible bathroom. I think that there's a way to get that done. But I really believe that with the newer

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equipment in catering kitchens now, there's some newer equipment you could put in that kitchen that's not as big in size, that's more efficient, that would solve all of the issues if somebody had a catering event they wanted. And then

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often times I'll go to a catering containers that are being plugged into the trailer. So the food is arriving hot. So I don't think it's going to be as big as an expense as some may be anticipated, but it definitely needs

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help. >> Any questions? And when are you looking for this proposed fee of $18,000 just working on this project for about nine

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months now >> and not getting any not like I'm get I've got the momentum that I'd like to have. I mean I suggested it be just as soon as we can get it done. Let's do it. Let's get let's get these bids out there.

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Let's get the RFPs out, get get them distributed, and get some of this work done before the weather turns bad. You know, just wondering how we're going to pay for the work that we need to do. Um, unless we have a funding source here.

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That's the problem right now. We don't have a funding source. Yeah. >> Either for the $18,000 or for any of the work that you're proposing to do yet. And I know that you're working on grant right now and we

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may need to wait until those grants are in place before we pull the trigger on um signing any kind of contract. Um and please I mean we did give you some money

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$5,500 or some amount correct to start off. Um, and I know that we would, you know, I I would really like to get the community center um into shape um soon,

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but it's going to be dependent on grant money or some other source of funds like you're you were talking about because right now I don't want to throw it on and um because we just we

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They're the taxes that they're paying right now are really high. Probably the highest in the state of any um city in the state. >> Wow. Um uh because first of all, Chicago

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Countyy's taxes are high and then we add our small town infrastructure and administrative costs on top of that and it just really hard for the residents uh residents here. And so, um, unless we

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have another funding source, um, outside of the taxpayers, I can't see us spending money on this right now. It's just to end we're in budget season. And we already know that it's going to be tough to get the budget um in in line so

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we're not throwing out another 10% increase um, which the residents cannot afford. >> Sure. So, >> well, I would I would be wrong in telling you that the grants are there and ready and that's not the way it is, >> right?

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>> The reality is you can apply for a grant >> and they can say, "Oh, sorry. By the way, you missed it by a month." Well, we know that ahead of time. We're writing the grants. We're going to know when it's due by, when it expires, and when it gets issued. But the reality is I'm not planning on spending any city money

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on repairs for this building. I think that we can purposefund it and even if we have to project fund it. In other words, when I go to Anderson Windows, I you better believe me, I'm going to ask them to be donating the windows. We're not going to be buying windows for another broker, right? And the reality

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is the same thing comes with rope. I'm going to be asking to buy the roofing materials at cost. I'm gonna ask that guy to give me a little bit of a break or a break on the on the labor and on his labor cost from

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installing that road. But the idea is not to spend any city money, >> right? But I've got to get the grant applied for before I know whether I have chance or not. If I don't get the grant applied for, these months are going to go just

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fall right off the calendar, one after another, and I'm going to have to wait till next year. I >> I thought that the grants were going to be applied for with the $5,500 that we already gave you, Gary. Correct. But I can't apply

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for a grant without some bidding being done and some scope of work. Um or the or the grant recipient or the person that's writing that grant is going to look at me and say, "You're not ready to move this project forward. You need a budget as far as what that kitchen's

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going to cost, what the windows are going to cost if you had to pay for them, and what's the HVAC going to be." I You're right. We can do that. We're in the portal now, but we have nothing to give them. >> Okay. >> I mean, I'm just I'm kind of just

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shooting. >> Yeah. Gary, I'm understanding what you're saying now. Unless you start the project management part of this and put out the RFP so you know what it's going to cost. You can't go and apply for

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grants in in a way that will get you the money that correctly that you need. >> Okay. because it'll look like I haven't done my homework. >> Yeah, that >> I just looked to um on the fund cash balances >> because we do have a community center

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fund and I thought it was much healthier than it is. $8,666. Not very healthy. >> Not very healthy at all. >> No. So instead probably use some of that to buy a new

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>> at least temporary use. >> Yeah. >> So >> yeah. >> So I know you said a year to a year and a half to complete everything. I have to get going. >> Correct. >> We're going into budget season. We can talk about it. Maybe we need to extend it out past a year and a half. As much

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as I would love to see it done next spring, it's not going to happen. move. Um, I guess that's what's I I'm always my head's always turning when I'm trying to figure out how to >> Yeah. How do we do it? >> How do we do it without raising taxes?

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And I agree with Robert. I didn't mean to but that's funny that we need it's not it's not 18,000 that scares me. How do we accomplish it without? So maybe there are options of grants that we could go out and be able to pay

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for project managing. Well, the easiest thing for me to do would be to ask for a matching grant from another foundation from someone that's already agreed to give us one. Well, that candidate is St. Great Valley Foundation, but I again

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without your approval, I haven't approached anyone else and asked them for matching because I don't think that's I should just be able to speak so loosely in your behalf. So, I'm kind of looking for your blessing and I can

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certainly do that. Um, and I believe it I mean I've got enough construction experience to I can make a couple phone calls and get some ballpark numbers as far as what roofing is to see what we're even talking about so I can pass that on

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to some of these grant writers. Um, but I'd hate to see us waiting here because we've the assessment. >> Yep. >> Agreed. I just had a couple questions about um

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the RFP process and I'm sorry I don't remember your qualifications exactly but won't you need to engage architectural engineering other structural to help develop those RFPs and how would those be

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>> well we would gather some of that data from the SGI that when they're done with their assessment real task they're engineered to if he says the trusses in the roof need to be replaced because of a fire 30 years ago, we're going to take his advice and we're going to then have

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an engineering firm look at those trusses. If they say we don't need to worry about it, we're going to somewhat take their word. and between your city engineer and SGI who's under contract with you. Anyway, I'm seeing that we should get enough feedback on what needs

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to be done and which what we can get by with maybe slipping through the crack, so to speak. Just an example, we had a a general contractor come out and um our superintendent of public works and I met him down at the community center. We

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were looking at the kitchen and the and the bathroom and he said, "I I'd like to help, but you got to tell me what you want." So, it's chicken and egg. We got to have a drawing the contractor can take and say, "Oh,

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okay. This is what you want." And that costs money. >> Sure. So, um, we don't have the luxury anymore of, uh, Bruce Scott who lived up on Angel Hill. >> Yeah. >> Elizabeth and I went through the

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community center file and saw his name all over documents in there. He was a registered architect. I think he did a lot of work for the city pro bono. Um, maybe we can find an architect in our city who may have just moved in here. um

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bought a home that might do that. I could reach out to them. I'm not sure. But um and and maybe I'm just not seeing clearly, but all I see is us spending money so we can go get grants, which is fine. I I understand you have to do

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that, but then I look at our our financials and we don't have money to spend. >> Sure. So, in the ideal world, we'd be able to go out and get a grant to do >> the assessment and the planning phase of it.

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>> Um, and then we can give them all the good numbers the other firms as we want. But I I don't know if that's realistic. >> Well, the reality is, I mean, I can a good example is kitchen. I can have a kitchen designer that I've worked with on other projects, ask him to drive here

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on a weekend, get him, make sure he has access to it, and have him do some initial planning, take pictures, have him do some initial planning as far as what he would suggest. And he will do that for free. But the reality is when it comes to what kind of gas feed that

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stove needs from the gas, which comes from the basement, he's probably not your guy. You're going to need your HVAC guy. So, it's a combination of coordinating all of the different people in different industries because believe

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it or not, they all kind of do relate to each other and they're going to need to they're going to need to work with each other >> and I can call in some favors, but you're right, when it comes to the technical side, >> I'm not an engineer, >> which we do have relationships with

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>> electrician, electrical firms, with HVAC firms, and I'm sure they they assist with some estimating. Um, but it's getting to the point where they can actually come in and do that estimating. >> Sure. >> That that's kind of the the hurdle we're not able to jump right now. Um,

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I I kind of agree with what's been said. I don't know as we're quite ready to to jump into this both feet. Yeah. >> Um, just a lot of questions uh in my mind. And I understand it takes time to

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coordinate all this too. I don't want you to >> I'm guessing there's a bit of uh philanthropy that's already been done on your behalf. >> Um which I appreciate. >> Um but I I don't >> feel ethical to continue asking to you

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spend more and more time >> about proper reimbursement either. So, >> when sometimes I have to be careful what I say or how I say it, but I don't want to give them the assumption that you've given me it blanch. That wouldn't be fair.

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>> And so, I need to be careful. >> So, when we get the information back from uh the the SGI information and 3 weeks from now, we have that, we'll really kind of know what we're looking at as a structure. And this 18 retainer,

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you said you could go out If we gave you permission and start trying to see if we'd get matching grants where then we would be on the road for nine. >> Well, I would probably I'll give you an example. I would probably pursue the window bid

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without needing any more technical information than what I have. I mean, I believe I could get a bid done for that and give the someone needs to write the RFP, I can start do a draft of it, but I could do that. Beyond that, when it comes to

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looking at asbestous and embedded roof beams and charred beams, that's out of my league. I I wouldn't be hesitant in giving you a legal opinion. You could nam your head on it. But some of the simpler stuff I could

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do, windows, kitchen, but like the the retainer itself. So if you you said you were asking for permission, you'd have to get permission from us to go and see if one of our other grants would match. >> Yeah. And then we >> or at least your blessing so that

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>> and that would give us time to get the information to see what we're even looking at. And then we're going into budget season and maybe we can start reaching out for donations to if we only have to do $8 or $9,000, we can start asking

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local people that love that building to start fundraising and some of our wonderful groups that, you know, I think there's a lot of people that want to see this going. I think there might be a way for us to not raise taxes >> for this and maybe we just

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need to figure out if we can say I need help. It's okay to say, right? >> But it's when you don't when you're looking at me asking me how much help can I give and I don't have the answer. No, I get that. No,

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>> I guess I'm just figuring this part. >> This will be second. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I'm looking at the 18,000 without budgeting for it. >> Are there grants that would support that type of work? >> Yes.

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>> So, you just need our philosophy to go try to access them. >> Right. >> I wouldn't if you can go get grants to help fund the initial engagement retainer. I've actually had a couple people reach out to me when they heard we were green

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building >> because that's no risk on our part there. So, and you can do that with just us saying go ahead. >> Yes, >> I'm fine with that.

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>> I'm fine with two >> that I can support. >> I can support that. Okay. >> Okay. Oh, I don't even know if we need to vote on anything there because we're just go for it. I mean, we already hired you to go on new grants.

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We probably should put it in this form motion. You want to make a motion? I move that. >> Okay. I move that we allow Gary Borblink to proceed

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with kind of finance the his proposed engagement rehildered and the rest of the uh project for the historic railroad building restoration also known as Hers Falls Memorial

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Community Center. Do I have a second? >> A second. >> Any other questions are coming? >> I would just say if you need, you know, if it helps to have a city representative there with you, >> just ask

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very easily may. And I think what just one more thing I'll cover quickly too, in addition to St. Cray Valley Foundation, they've been very good at helping me find homes. For example, the Minnesota history um railroad history museum uh which is in Oyola

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has stands a very good chance they will participate and match and write a check. Now I haven't given them the hard numbers yet but there's several others. I mean the Minnesota Star is very interesting and then there's historic

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the Burlington Northern Historic Preservation Fund is well known to write checks for building. Well, thank you. Thank you for doing that. >> Yes, appreciate it. >> All in favor say I.

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>> I. >> Thank you, Gary. >> Yeah. >> All right. Thanks for your patience. >> Yeah. Oh yeah, >> we're going to move on to number four. And this is just a discussion. It's a draft. Um we haven't really had an

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opportunity to talk to council obviously until we come here. And then um we also haven't had an opportunity to just kind of work with Fritz. Um this came up. Um I received multiple concerning phone calls and approaches at grocery stores

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um about um license plate readers. Um, and I wanted to kind of just discuss it so that people know that currently the city of Taylor Falls does not have any block cameras in it. Um,

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number four. >> Um, and I don't know why it's under old business either, so I >> um, we did talk about it once. We did >> last year. >> Yes. Thank you. Um, so we did meet with

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Sheriff B um last year before um and he did share with us what block cameras were um and um did propose us to bring in block cameras um at the time and we kind of just said no we're not really

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and a it was very expensive and every town around us has them so we were like you can't get in or out of Taylor's falls without going by a block camera where are we going to Um, we just didn't feel I I'm trying to speak for you all, but I don't think we felt comfortable making those decisions

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at that time anyway because we just don't know enough about these cameras, all the data stored, you know, all the other things that you can read that people are having a real tough time with on these. Um, but I wanted to put it on here for us to have discussion. I also wanted to put on here so that um I don't

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even know who the individual is because they don't like to use their real names, but our overlook here is not a flock camera and they have it on their little website and they think it is. >> And this gentleman unfortunately won't talk to me. Um and I'm not going to use his name because I

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did do my figure out who he is, but um he's wrong. And so since this is going to obviously be in the notes and everything, it's not a flock camera on our overlook. They have to actually take the battery out every year as it gets cold and the batteries die. It's to protect our portaodies from vandalism.

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That's all it is. So um rest assured we do not have any. Um I thought I drafted this with AI full transparency. Um because there's a lot of cities that are jumping on this um bandwagon right now to just do more research. And so I put

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this together. Um we like I said, we can just talk about it today and get some questions answered by Fritz if he can. Um and then put it on the next meeting, but I just wanted to kind of out there that it's just it's as bad as the data center. It's not here. We don't have one

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here, right? Um and they can't just put them on on our robbery without us doing it. So, um, Britz, do you want to kind of tell us like what you're learning and hearing and dealing with and then we'll kind ask

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questions? Well, I I actually represented a couple cities that that um ended up there there are a lot of data practices questions. I mean, you're we're just kind of at the tip of the iceberg in what's modern media, but some

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fairly complicated agreements between, for example, I Ramsay was a client of mine, had an elaborate agreement with an NOA county and what you can use, what data you can use. City really is liable under some

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circumstances for data that an NOA county might use. Um, and so these things have to be pretty tightly put together. And I'm suspecting that that most of these that most of these uh are that way. But it's really complicated. You're talking

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about a system that is growing, I would say, almost exponentially. Um, and petro data out there that um are just out there. And if you know how to access it,

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you're authorized to access it. And I think the problem here is that there were some people people made the assumption that access was being allowed when it was not or at least wasn't specifically allowed. So there were a lot of people that that had

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very strong feelings about their data that um was being used in a way that had been promised wasn't it wasn't going to be used. And so you're seeing a lot of these cities now saying, "Well, we're done. you know, we're not going to, at least for now, we're going to have a moratorum. We're not going to share this

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anymore. Now, as I understand it, there are some very valid u public service, public protection, safety reasons why these things are handy. Um, not too surprising, I guess. But, um, the reaction among places that

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have already adopted it, it's I would almost say visceral. people are really kind of all of a sudden very uncomfortable that you know we agreed because we thought that this was going to be a useful tool for law enforcement primarily and that now all of a sudden it seems like others are getting access

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to it. So there's a lot that has to be thought through in in in my view. Um and it is very complicated. If you don't have a flat camera, um I wouldn't be necessarily

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looking for an opportunity to have one. Okay, there's just uh even though you might be getting a lot of people that are saying, hey, Chicago County and others, we've got holes in our coverage now. Now, that's the problem. There was coverage now, we've got gaps in the

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company. uh you don't need to be part of that dialogue right now till until this gets solidified. I know we had a we had a meeting I'm on the U BCA advisory group about data practices and they had a meeting just about this

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and literally tetraes of stuff that's just out there floating around um and some real concerns. So uh Mr. mayor, you are ahead of the curve here um in being concerned about this. Um and I would at

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this point suggest that you as a city have no reason why you want to participate in this until till the dust clears a little bit in terms of putting up the the necessary guard rails.

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Uh, I think the the most the most recent u scandal, but the thing that really bothered people was was uh apparently I said full access to this. And I think what happened is law enforcement thought, well, certainly the

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pets can, you know, even though they weren't specifically part of the agreement. And the fact that that wasn't clearly delineated somewhere has caused a lot of the problem here. And a widespread diminished confidence in the system, I

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think, on the part of people that were that embraced it. I mean, fairly large police departments came in and said, "Sure, no, we want to be part of this nuts here." Because for the most part, cities are very careful, certainly this one is, but very careful about uh data practices and and data privacy and

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citizen privacy. And so this this one kind of got away from me. So you're right, Mr. Mayor, to be concerned about it. You can be glad that you don't have to deal with uh cameras in your city right now. And there is

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absolutely no reason that I could think about why you would want to participate in this program until the guard rails maybe have but until the guard rail rails are up that would uh give people some comfort in terms of how this data is being used. I said we're talking it's

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it's beyond almost imagining just how much data is already being used in that system that help you have any questions. >> No thank you very

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um in these times >> by the way. Yeah. I'm sure my office would tell me that I had used the right form after there. >> I didn't even typed in when I did this. I said make it look like a Taylor's

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Halls one. I can look at it right now. >> Robert, do you have any questions for >> I don't know that the duration of the moratorum is long enough. We have a 12-month um duration. And I'm wondering if we should make it 20 month mark. Um, go down to 12.

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>> 12 is is what you get in the statute. You're allowed to do 12. And this this if you don't have one now, yeah, >> I don't know that you need one, >> but this would certainly pound a stake in the heart of any inclination anybody might have to try to put it here. It's a pretty strong statement.

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>> Yeah. >> Um, and I see no harm. You can always lift it. If all of a sudden you just decide oh we just got to have one of these. Um, if that day ever happens, like never, uh,

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you can always change your mind. But, uh, the cap is 12 months statutoily. >> Thank you. >> I don't have an issue with a moratorum. Uh, just to gather more facts. Um, Sherry printed out um the county's

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policy on it and I I guess I'd ask if um Sherry if you could send the email out as well to council because it has the links for those other two reports. >> I did. >> Oh, you did already. Oh, thank you. >> It's very interesting

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>> the the reporting that they do on both. I don't know the difference between the Flock and the Axon if there's ones for their mobile carb based um license plate readers uh or or if they're just in

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situ. But um really interesting. I'd encourage council and the public to actually go educate themselves before making comments about block cameras. Um I'm not an expert. Um, but being that we

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contract with Chisah County, I would say that um, if we ever did implement something, it still contracted with them, that's the policy that we would use. Um, but um, other than that, I I think it's prudent

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to spend some time to take a look at it and a moratorum would give us that uh, opportunity to do so. Yeah, like I said, I put it together quick just because of I could see it blowing up really quickly and then I saw people tearing them down around, you

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know, the state. Obviously, we can all watch that and I just >> we don't need that here. We don't need everybody getting upset with each other. They already do that well enough. Um especially going into an election year trying to keep the peace with everyone. Um we don't need to go backwards. We

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want the neighbors to still talk to each other. Um, but my concern was the allegations really that we well we've never approved any cameras in town except for the one point settling and it's not a black camera. So I just didn't like the fact that they were, you

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know, using that and I don't want him going up there and damaging it and the bathroom and it did help us last year. They caught the guy driving circles, right? and we you know so I mean it does record if you're at the bathroom doing

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damage it's going to catch you so um but like I said it's not a fog camera so um I don't know if we need time um to review or um let me if I may if you're interested in having this as a matter of discussion I can review this I don't

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think it's going to take a lot of work because it's actually not a bad >> but I could put something together in the proper format you can have it discuss and act on the next meeting. Yes or no? >> Yeah, that'd be great. Let's Are you guys all comfortable with that? >> Just the mortorium.

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>> Just the not the policy part. >> Yeah, I did both just so we could start discussing, but I think the mortorium gives us, you know, 12 months to find that. >> Okay. >> Um, thank you.

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>> We'll just wait and we'll uh look forward to the updated one on September 14th. Thank you. Okay. Um, new business. Since we moved one to five, we are going to start with the mismissible water and

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wastewater cyber security. Tim, um I worked with Kevin um after the the initial bololis of all these things happening and um very simply put, we're

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not at risk. Our systems are old enough. Uh it's open air between our equipment and the internet. So we're not exposed to any kind of cyber vi systems. Um, that's either good news or bad news. I don't know from efficiency

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and productivity perspective, it'd be nice to have things a little bit more automated and remote access, but um, it's good in this case from a cyber security perspective. Um uh but rest assured if anything you know if we do move in a in a direction for um actually

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get up in temporary standards with our treatment facilities um uh that would be an important component to build into whatever RFP we did for new equipment. So um but the good news is we're not at rest.

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>> Thanks for jumping on that so quick. Any questions for Tim? >> Thank you. Um, moving on to number three. The zoning administrator to have authority to issue fines or ordinances

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non-compliance. Robert, that's me. Um, it came to my attention that the zoning administrator doesn't have the ability to find anybody for zoning non-compliant clients issues. It's not one of the

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listed items on our um on our B structure and I believe it should be um you know we have several people with either cars that don't work that are sitting in their properties or we have

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accumulation of junk in um that just as an eyesore. Um, we have non-compliance and nu nuisance pro properties and right now she has no

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ability to find them. And um I was looking out at some of the um cities around here. I looked at Wyoming and Scandia and Schaefer to see what they do and thought Wy Wyoming was pretty good.

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um it states that the um zodian administrator can write a letter to the person who's in non-compliance. Give them a period of time and typically it's either 7 days or 30 days to get in compliance with what um they see as uh

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the nuisance and and if they don't comply, she's able and in the letter it also states that they're they could be fined if they do not comply. And um then if they don't comply by the date given

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on the letter, then the the letter and the fine. She could call the sheriff, call the whoever and have them deliver um the

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the letter with the fine. Okay. And so um I think that it would be helpful to do that. Um uh because right now we have no ability to actually find anybody for

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non-compliance. Um and I think it would be helpful to do so. Um just for people to, you know, to do the things they're supposed to do with their properties, make sure that they are in compliance with um this the

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ordinances of the city and not keeping it their properties in an orderly fashion um can just be a problem. So um so I think that we should do that. Um and

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uh so there there are ordinances out there that we could mimic and perhaps Fritz you could help us with that. And um um I know that you know there's a state statute that says that

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um that you can find them $1,000 and it becomes a misdemeanor and all those wonderful things which also means that they could spend 90 days in jail and all that type of thing. you know, that also could be in the weather, but um it's not to exacerbate the thing. It's just to

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give them a motivation to clean things up if it needs to be cleaned up or if it's a noise nuisance to stop the noise and those types of things, you know. Uh so I'm thinking that it would be helpful for the zoning

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administrator to be able to write a letter and start that process. um and and I think most people will comply um and that there won't be a lot of fines that are issued, but I think our town will be much cleaner and um and I and I

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hope that that would happen anyway. So, that's what I'm thinking and I wanted to bring it up for discussion, >> but technically it's an administrative citation. Is that correct? From what I'm reading online,

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it's not a criminal He's been asking all these really complicated questions that and this is one of those because technically any violation >> of a city of is a misdemeanor

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>> and the way some cities will do this larger cities more in control of the prosecution process than you can be. >> Yes. Um, the person that has the junked cars goes to court and he's facing a that's always

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a but facing a $1,000 fine and 90 days in jail. That's the law. Usually at that point there is a discussion conversation and a lesser amount of fine is agreed to in a certain period of time to get it done.

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That's the way it works. Now, the problem with that is you get push back. Courts don't like this. Courts don't I' I've had finger wagging lectures from judges saying, "I shouldn't have to be enforcing." Yeah. Well, you get the big

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bucks. That's what you're supposed to be doing, right? They don't want to direct. Um, and so there have been efforts. You're not a charter city. It's somewhat easier to do. There are there are charter cities that actually develop a

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separate administrative law function and they have a list of fines. They'll have a hearing officer that's designated the whole nine yards. Works pretty well, but then the courts don't like it because they think you're taking away their business. That's another whole conversation.

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Um, works pretty well, but most statutory cities, and you are one, >> um, don't have that authority because it's been tried. There have been a number of cities that have said, "Well, we're going to do that. You know, if St. Cloud can do it, we can do." Well, no,

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not if you're not a charter city. So, what you're describing, it sounds to me like Wyoming has done um what I would call kind of a workaround where you send the letter to

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the to the local jug house and you say, "You're you clean up. We're going to give you a certain period of time We're going to impose a civil fine because we're we're saying you're a nuisance and because you're a nuisance, uh we are

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allowed to impose costs related to cleanup if necessary and all the rest of it. We can do that. Um and we'll do that. If you fail to comply, we will charge you criminal. usually at the back

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end of this thing, the actual authority that the city has gets tied into it. My sense is that Wyoming is sort of massaging that process. And you're right. I mean, as a as an enforcement tool, you know, a lot of cities, most

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people when they get that kind of letter, it's more of a, "Oh my god, you know, I had no idea that those precious 56 Chevys in my back lot, you know, were junk." go. You know, you get into those kinds of interesting conversations,

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but most people they get a letter like that, they respond. People don't like that. There's a small percentage of people that don't care. And then you get into these enforcement things. And ultimately, what'll have to happen is you'll either go in on a civil matter,

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it's a bad enough problem. You can bring a civil action or, you know, it's cheaper from the city's point of view, frankly, just to do the criminal action. you reach the point where you just say we're done and you know we're not you're not going to pay our civil fines. We were nice to

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you. Now it's in the prosecutor's hands. And that gets us around kind of full circle to the problem we're still kind of having in an underlying way, which is that Chicago County really doesn't want to prosecute us to really get down to it. And that's conversation I think I

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need to have. Elizabeth's nodding, but this conversation I need to have with whoever >> sort of had one with the Chicago County Attorney. >> Yeah. >> And and she sort of patted me on the head, said they're there. Um and we didn't really get very far. Um

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but they need to and maybe that's what it takes. By the time it gets to you, we've already been through all this. >> So that by the time it gets to you, this is really serious and you're going to have to take it seriously. But right now, what they're coming back at us and saying, I got a little bit of that

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dialogue is, well, you haven't set up a fine schedule for it, that's not you can't do that. You know, if they're violating your ordinance, it's a crime. It's a misdemeanor.

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Um it you know if all of a sudden you're going to create a schedule and you're creating they thought petty misdemeanors. I don't know you want to do that but creating petty misdemeanors. Maybe they've got a point but I don't think there's another county or another city in the county that does that. So

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this is all about them not wanting to prosecute. This is all about them. You know I'm not saying they're wrong. I get it. You know it's takes time. But I think that we could certainly, that's a long answer, but I think we could certainly develop something, Councilman,

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that would give Elizabeth the authority to sort of work that in a more formal way. It sounds >> I think they're kind of finessing it. It sounds to me like Wyoming, you know, there's no reason why >> there's just there just doesn't seem to

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be any teeth in just a letter. Um but however, if if there continues to be a property that people just will not clean up, you know, we we had the situation with the Springs in um that we had hoped

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um he would end up paying a fine um he never did as that I'm aware of for uh leaving that property in u crazy condition forever. We never ended up with thou thousand dollar fines. He was

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not prosecuted for it and um he we ended up cleaning it up and you know which was the worst scenario because we didn't have the money to do it. So, we are collecting it back thankfully, but um uh it seems that we

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need help from law enforcement and the county attorney for us to be able to um to get compliance with the people that are taught and that that just doesn't seem right. It seems like

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it should be easier than that. um you know start the process with the letter um possible fine if you don't comply by this date. Um it just seems you know the steps are there. You have a documented

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file and you you know then if you need to have a $1,000 fine and a misdemeanor and get the county involving you do that. Um, and if we can't do that because we're a statutory city, um,

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that's just seems strange to me that we can't do that. So, anyhow, any questions? >> No. I imagine how frustrating is to have rules and not being able to enforce

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them. So, I think there has to be a better way than what we're doing it today. Um, I'll send Sherry a copy of the city of Hopkins has a um policy on administrative citations. I believe that they are a charter city.

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>> They are charter. I believe >> and I I I have and I have developed a policy and set up city that was a charter city friendly. you you you can do that, but there's only a handful of there's only a handful

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of cities that are allowed to do that. And the legal Minnesota cities, I don't know that they did in the last session or two, they were really pushing hard. They really wanted uh statuto cities, which is virtually all the cities, uh to to be able to do

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this because then you go in, you could have a hearing, you know, you could actually go all the way up to $1,000, but you know, four or five and have it be in boards. Um and that way

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attorney can pay attention to important crimes. Well, I mean, you know, if you're living next door to, you know, the junkyard, you know, it's it's it's hard not to call that, as you know. I mean, it's hard not to call that important, but, you know, they're they're focusing on,

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you know, math and all the other kind of stuff that they're focusing on. And like I said, all all but getting a little pat on the head saying they're there, Taylor, the attorney. We feel your pain. But, you know, so much we can do. And I, you know, it's uh so I think setting up

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the procedure for the more serious offenses you can do and trying to find a way. I'm more than happy to to see, you know, to see if if Wyoming has got some special pinky dust to that sort of lets them do this. You know, I I'm

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all for it because I've been trying I I've actually been in situations where I'm trying to talk cities into this in one form or another. But your your points are very well taken council. >> Well, thank you. I one of the things that I'm going to do is lean on the

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league uh Minnesota cities and see if we can't uh pressure a change um in the legislature for this ability to do this as a statutory city.

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It's you don't want to start off with a fee of $1,000. I mean, it's a to get rid of a car or whatever else there is or debris in their yard. Um, just as it

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makes sense. >> Anything you want to add, Melissa? >> As the person who's supposed to move forward on compliance, I'm still thoroughly confused on exactly what the process is for what we have in place now.

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And you know, at least what we have in place now is different than what we're going to have in place in the future. So if you told me, um, you know, Rick, you left a piece of paper on the floor. >> I'm going to find you. >> That's why I'm asking for that. >> Ask me to find you for that because I

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told you last time not to put your >> paper on the floor. Um, I would not know how to go through that process >> because there is a that's the bottom line. You know, I hate to say that, but because from the city's point of view, sorry, Mr. Mayor.

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>> No, you're fine. >> There is a you know, and um trying to develop an alternative means um and having at the back of it the fact that if you don't comply, you're going

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to force us to send you to jail or something like that. Um trying to develop it. Sounds like Wyoming kind of has done that. um so that people will feel coerced because sometimes that's what you're talking about doing um is

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the trick here. But right now by itself there isn't anything. You know, you're in violation. Well, if you're in violation, that's a misdemeanor. And that matters if you've got somebody that's that prosecutes misdemeanors. You're in a bigger city, for example,

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where the you know the uh uh the city attorney is in the office down the hall or something like that. on Bloomington or something. You go down there and and there's a whole separate category of meetings. I used to have meetings all the time with the zoning staff u when I

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was you know with friendly and they were talking about the the troubled people and who we're going to who we're going to site who we're going to do administratively who are we going to do you know beyond that and there the enforcement mechanism is in place in our case right now

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who's our prosecutor it's the the well it's the whoever has been assigned this week for for the county attorney and it's a very good don't get me wrong I think the county attorney's officer is >> very good but this is this just isn't something that

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they >> no >> prioritize and small potato >> extremely frustrating and I get it so I hear it from you know what uh >> what can we do about it and then the problem is unless you're ready to go after somebody civily it's a really bad

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problem then you're spending money on a civil you know, everybody's paying their taxes, right, to have this mechanism in place. Of course, the criminal law, you got people that are violating the criminal law, but you end up with the triage of what's important and what

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isn't important. And um >> so we just accept >> Yeah, you can't. I mean, that's frustration. That's conversation. I think I think that the council councilman suggesting is a good one. I'm all in on that. anything I can do

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because I have tried, you know, for not in this substantial number of years, but to uh persuade the legislature to let cities do this, you know, just let us do it. We'll take

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care of it. >> Is there a way to develop something at this point? Well, I I tell you what. Um, let me throw an ordinance together and I won't use chat. >> And put your chat.

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>> Oh, you should be careful. You know, I just one of the things I'm gonna bring for you next to the next meeting is a a because I'm working on I'm actually I I'm teaching lawyers in Wisconsin. We need a lot of teaching. Um

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but about um AI policies in the city and before you start running things through your chat, understand that you might be violating internal city policies. >> I'm doing this to you. I'm really not.

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But you know, but you said that in the daily spring. So, while I'm at it, I think I'll send over my proposed suggested AI polic. Yeah. >> Can you send over Wyoming's stuff that you I can pull that up?

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>> I have it. And it's actually under administration chapter 2. And it has a section for Newton's properties including animal regulations and they have fees for everything. Waste and

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rubbish regulations, rubbish, rubbish accumulation, um rubbish collection without a license, which I think is interest unauthorized disposal garbage. So all of those things

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have a particular piece. um just rubbish accumulation in a in a yard is $150. Then they have parking violations, ATV snowmobile regulations, alcohol and uh tobacco,

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fireworks, loitering and other nuisances. They all have feast attached to them. Um so which is really interesting. Well, I'll say um if I may, Mr. Mayor, I absolutely I mean, if nothing else,

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see what happens. You throw it in the loan and see why policy judiciary. >> Oh, >> forget about due process. >> You don't want to go to war with them. >> Thank you. >> Well, thank you, Chris. We appreciate it.

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>> Um, number four here, I think it's our national night out that is coming up quick. Um, it is August 18th. Um, I'll read this just so it is on record. So, uh, whereas National Night Out, a unique crime drug prevention event has

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been scheduled for Tuesday, August 18th on their is 2026. We'll note there Sherry before you >> sign in. Yeah, it's 20256 and they're right there. Um, I could have told you that ahead of

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time. I'm sorry. Um, National Night Out provides a unique opportunity for the city of Taylor's Falls to join forces with thousands of other communities across the country and promoting cooperative police community crime prevention efforts. We are a week after I think last week was the most county.

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So, we're really blessed to have uh the sheriff's department fully involved involved with ours. So all residents and businesses play a vital role in assisting uh the Chicago County Sheriff's Department with their crime prevention efforts in the city of Taylor's Falls and is supportive of

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National Night Out locally. It is essential that all citizens of the city of Taylor's Falls be aware of the importance of crime prevention programs and the impact that their participation can have on reducing crime, drugs, violence in the city of Taylor's Falls. police, community partnerships,

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neighborhood safety, awareness, and cooperation are important themes of National Night and Out. Therefore, I the mayor hereby proclaim Tuesday, August 18th, 2026 as National Night Out for the city of Taylor's Falls. Fun. Um, we will be doing the backpacks

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again for each grade um with some supplies in it and the kids can fill out their name and hopefully they get drawn. I will probably ask somebody on council if they could be there because I would be in Ohio. So I will not I'll miss this one.

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>> So um real quick he has the name tags I think or not >> and so it'll be at the still same place church and then across the school. >> Okay. Perfect. >> So from six to eight to eight.

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>> Okay. Well thank you very much again. So, um I'll make sure that we get everything over to you or we'll get it over to church. Um >> and that way it'll be there. >> Great. Thank you. >> Okay. >> All right. Um we are going to move on to

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uh number five and this will be the city office security glass and panic buttons. >> Oh, did I miss one? >> I am sorry. I am so sorry. >> Um number five or number four would be grant writing seminar. You attended that. Take it away.

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>> So, I just wanted to let you know that I participated in a Zoom grant writing course, a 16-hour, and it was very, very helpful. And um I just got a lot of resources like places to look for grants

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and even the the instructor said, you know, if you're looking for help, you know, please just contact me, which I just thought was really quite a bonus. But before I start anything, I want to be directed by council. I I mean, I've

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talked to Todd Strider. He knows that I did it. Um, but I don't want I I don't know. I don't know like what are the priorities? What do we want to focus on first? And and then I would love to just

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start and practice and start doing it. So, um I'm kind of here just looking for guidance from you. >> Well, we could hurry up with the community center, right? >> Well, except for his daughter does it. So, >> yeah. >> No. Yeah. How activist are the groups

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that originally were part of the cap process? They're not. I mean, I think they're still ready to be active, but um Todd was talking about the next project is going to be to write the revitalization um down

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>> this fall. >> I was just wondering if they had things they'd want to present to the >> Uhhuh. >> Yeah. Well, I could talk to Todd. I mean, should I should I start with Todd and just kind of see what he thinks is

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>> Yeah. >> the next thing? Yeah. >> Okay. >> And I think downtown revitalization is really essential and it should be part of >> you know a high priority.

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We're meeting again next Friday morning. >> Oh yeah. >> Downtown of Middle Eastern. It's all the businesses that are I think there's 12 businesses and we've been meeting every couple Fridays in the morning. They want a nighttime meeting but it's kind of tough right now. So, we're trying to figure out what works for everybody.

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>> Yeah. >> But we do have a number of building owners that have been coming too, >> not just the businesses. So, you might want to come and listen. >> Okay. >> And that that is next it's the 21st, next Friday, right? That'll be 8 to 10.

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>> 8:00. >> Yeah. And that's if we get enough people, I'll let us know if nobody can make it. But so far, it's been about six of us there. But >> he's coordinating it. >> He coordinates it. Yeah. Perfect. Yeah. Okay thanks.

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>> Thank you for doing that. Thank you so much. That's exciting. It's >> really weird sitting in front of a computer for a few hours a day. Great. >> Thank you so much. Thanks. >> Um, all right, let's go to our final

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topic and that will be the city office security glass and panic buttons. Um, this came up quickly the last couple weeks and I know we have a very concerned and involved citizen that sent an email us council this last well

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Sunday. >> Are we closing the meeting? I'm sorry. >> I don't think we need to. I don't want to close the meeting. We're not going to make any decisions today. I think we can just talk about it and then we're going to continue forward. So, all right. >> Um, >> we're not going to hide anything on this. We we haven't unfortunately some

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people aren't well sometimes. Um it doesn't excuse what happened. Um and it just you know we need we need to talk about it cuz we've we've had conversation before what we should do for our staff. Um and our

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staff wrote a letter. Um they called me. Um they were very scared and so it's not us just wanting to spend money when we put the stuff on the agenda. I told Sherry to work with the office and get some

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ideas um you know just so we can kind of look at how we can keep them safe. Um I'm going to read this. Um this was put together by our office um and then we can kind of go into discussion on what we think and and whatnot and we'll let

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you go right right after because you've been so patient. Um, so it says, "Dear council members, uh, city staff is respectfully requesting safety glass to be installed at city hall customer service desk to provide an additional level of protection for employees and the public.

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Employees working at the customer service desk regularly interact with members of the public and there are occasions when individuals become upset, agitated, or behave unpredictably. In these situations, employees are vulnerable due to the open nature of the c customer service area. Unfortunately,

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we are living in a time when mental instability seems to be at an all-time high. It's hard to dispute with every news channel showing shootings in schools churches restaurants movie theaters, and even festivals. After speaking at the sheriff's department, we feel that it's our best option for

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security. The law protects these unstoppable people from being detained or hospitalized against their will. The individual must be of harm to themselves or others before any uh protection is offered to the public. Time and time again, we have seen this unfold. If only

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they would have listened, she or he would still be alive. Why wait for something bad to take place? Let us be proactive and secure our city hall. Installing safety glass at the c customer service desk would provide a physical barrier and added measure of protection while still allowing

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employees to assist customers effectively. This request is being made as a proactive workplace safety measure and the goal of protecting employees and maintaining a safe and welcoming environment for everyone visiting city hall. We respectively asked council to

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consider having the customer service area evaluated and safety glass installed. This improvement would help address employee safety concerns and provide greater peace of mind for staff who work directly with the public. Thank you for your time and consideration of this important safety matter. We appreciate the council's attention to

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the safety and well-being of city homes and visitors. That's signing. Um so, you know, just thinking that we are doing this to spend money really kind of upset me over the weekend. Um I don't shouldn't let this individual upset me

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cuz it doesn't really matter. Um but um I don't think anybody has the right to come in here and insult anybody and tell them they're going to do sexual things to them. Um, and when I got a phone call, that's there. We're lucky I wasn't

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here. So, um, and and unfortunately, if you don't point the knife and come out and lunge at somebody, they won't do it. They can't do anything. So, um, you could take a knife and show it and put it away and you're okay. And so, for somebody to send us an email thinking that we're just spending money and not

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knowing the whole picture and not able to ever come up to a meeting, it's totally ridiculous. And I hope this gets back to that individual. I really don't care. So, on that note, I didn't close it for that reason cuz I want it to be public. Um, and they uh have Indian head glass here for us to hear about what

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ballistic windows would look like. So, I'm going to let you kind of explain to us and then >> last question, please go from there. >> Yeah. Um, obviously we were asked to give a quote uh the day of the incident. So we came

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in came in and uh measured everything out and take it that this is just a baseline. This this level three is what we have put in for years. That's typically uh

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what's done is the level three and I brought a sample of that today. We also gave you the level seven which is much more extreme for more high-owered weapons. Uh you know ARs, AKs, uh you go as high as 50 cal, you know, but the

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level three is at a 44 magnum three shots. That's where they consider the degradation of the material to where it's doesn't mean it's still not going to stop multiple shots after that. It's

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just there's a higher risk of something penetrating completely through it. Um, as you'll see on that, uh, the level three for your typical handgun, the 10 mm, 9 mm, 308s, it doesn't barely

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penetrate it. So, that's your most common 9 mm. It's going to be your most common handgun. If somebody decides to walk in with any yard, that's not um and it's very expensive. This stuff

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it comes as a complete system. Uh you can't vary from any component of this system or it's not considered at that level. So if you go level three, you have to have the full framing. You

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have to have the ballistic speed holes, the ballistic hand through trays. Um otherwise any deletion of any part of that voids any kind of warranty or uh

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liability on the manufacturers. We've done a discovery building in OciOla at the police station. Um price-wise, comparatively that was 8 years ago and it was 25,000 and that was still four fairly large panels in the

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front. Um we just did Baldwin Police Department. Um that's a different configuration, but it had handicap tray and then an upper tray and two speak holes, but that had some parallel panels

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and open air. So it was completely different architectural design. So they had to specially build that and it was smaller than yours, but that was still in the 20,000 range for level three. Um we just did one at St. Joseph City Hall,

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just a 4x4. It's about that was about $7,000. Um, like I said, yours, what we discussed, the two speed poles, the tray, your handicap level, uh, but the full level three ballistic was in the

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15,000 range. Then obviously there you can go to down to level two. I brought a couple different You can get things all readily available online. There's so much information that you can get when you start discussing and researching what you want to do. And

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you don't necessarily have to even go ballistic. You can go with uh either polycarbonates or you can go with a 38 tempered with a safety film or what they call a ballistic blast film which if something

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were to break or smash it's going to hold together. So we not they're not going to readily be able to bust through it. Um, but if you are intent on stopping a firearm, you're going to have to go

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digital because um, then you also have to consider that your walls and doors are not. So, there is that you're going to have this nice opening that is ballistic and safe, but everything underneath everything with the sides. Everything else is not.

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Any any one of these weapons will shoot through that. Um, so I just brought you a little chart here with with rifles, handguns, all that. And that's online. This is a simple schematic of a basic 3x3 with

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that we discussed uh with kind of the dimensions and and a cut away of how it's put together. And then this is just a simple uh what levels they're typically used for. Level three is police stations, government facilities,

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and educational. And again, you can find all this online. >> Um, doesn't mean you have to go with that, but you've got the price fully installed if you want to do that. And I would suggest going at these level three

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as everybody, you know, that seems to be the most common. Um, and I can show you that clip and you can see as many shots we I've got some friends that like to shoot stuff, so it >> and we took it to the range and this was

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at about 25 ft. Um, the ballistic ratings are at 4.6 m, which is about 50ish. This was at 25 ft. And uh you can see if anybody wants to come up and look at it

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too. Uh 9 mm, 10 mm, the rifles both completely through it. The 44 penetrator, a 308, the 223 from an AR, they all just went right through it. Um but your handguns, the 357,

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uh and like I said, uh 38 special, barely even. It just bounced off of it. Um but this is the actual level three material. Uh, it's an inch and a quarter thick. Level two is an inch thick. Level one is

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3/4 of an inch thick. And then if you get all the way up to like level seven, level eight, they're 2 and 1/2 in th. But you can see that it basically see how it all mushrooms out. It doesn't actually break the glass. It's all polycarbonate. It just absorbs the

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energy and the heat and uh basically just kind of melts itself right in there. And these slugs are still in there. >> This is a 9 mm actually out of my handgun. This is uh full metal jacket

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that's going to go through pretty much any multiple walls. >> Sure. >> You know, because defense rounds are typically hollow points that expand out. This this should go through everything and it just stopped it cold. Thank you.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. Um so the opening was how big was the ballistic? >> Uh which open that would have the actual bowlerial >> window. Is it is the full >> We could reduce the size of that.

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Exactly. >> Um, we have plenty of windows out around the perimeter on the inside of the office space, but it wouldn't be like we're filling a lot of light coming in. >> Um, and they do make material to put

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inside or on walls. That's pretty reasonable compared to the Discovery building. All their walls are ballistic and it's like a 5 inch. It's super dense, 5/8 inch thick. And you could retro that in to the walls existing and

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then finish in after too >> because we have the knee wall to consider as well that can be shot through. And you mentioned the door. Um >> if I'm intent on harming someone, I'm going to go after the the door latch and then just go in. >> So I don't know what we do about the

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door. Well, this person suggested we turn turn it around because he could kick it in that right now because it pushes in instead of being on the >> on the other side. And so he was

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>> he was great. >> I I did look for grants and there are some available >> for for this sort of thing. I I didn't read through them thoroughly. Um but I think if we reduce the opening size that

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would help with cost, right? Um and uh >> Exactly. >> And we could, you know, then spend some money on hardening the the non opening area as well. I mean, you're trying to buy time.

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>> Exactly. >> Um because there is an egress out back that you can pretty readily get out of and out of the building. can help. >> Um, but we also need to consider panic devices. That's something we talked

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about a long time ago. Um, before I think even before Carol and Bob um that would summon without calling 911 that would summon sheriff's department immediately, which I think is an important aspect of that. So I think we

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need to do um a full assessment of it come up with the best solution balancing cost and the safety for our staff. I mean it's I I grant and I it's kind of fuming too when I read read the emails.

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Um it's just ridiculous what some people think. Um this is a legitimate concern. It's a legitimate issue of race press statress not ridiculous. It's not whatever other adjectives that were throwing out there.

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Um, so I if I may speak on um Michelle and I can see the cameras for a few of the cameras that are on the property and one is the, you know, the front area, the

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front door. Since last week, that's all we do. We're staring at that camera every minute. and for people to poo poo um and I'm not someone that gets scared very easily. >> I'm not either. >> But mentally ill people and it couldn't

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it could be some old guy accused can be we don't know until they get to us what their frame of mind is. Um, this is extremely serious to us and um

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I I were even thinking we'll lock the doors until we have um the something complete and then just let people in through a doorbell, you know, and we can look at them. Um I

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at least this one person we would obviously not let in, right? Um, but is it me? >> Doors. Doors. They're not. >> They are they tempered glass. Do you

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know what? Shatter be like >> they're hardened glass. Unless you had something specifically put in when the building was built. They're just tempered glass. There's two pieces of tempered and they'll break like a side window in your car. It takes a lot more impact to break

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them. But if somebody were to smash them, they can smash immediately. >> Okay. >> Yeah. The the way to alleviate that a little bit >> um which St. uh St. Joseph did was all their exterior doors and windows

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were a combination of and a lot of schools now are retroing outside with laminated glass inside. So that even if they were to break the hardened glass outside, >> they'd have to pound like that to to

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bust through the laminated glass to get in, which really all it does it it buys times, >> you know, it it slows them down and they'll get frustrated and they'll go and try something else. Are the hurricane films?

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>> They're well just like bomb blast. We put bomb blast films on with uh in recruiting centers and this was a thing, you know, 15 years ago that was pretty common because there had been some uh

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bombings and um it holds it together. It doesn't it it's made to just take the blast and just kind of bubble it and hold it so that everything doesn't just blow in on you. Um in the hurricane it's it's a

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similar thing. Yeah. It's it's to avoid shards of glass and other debris from flying in. And is there any savings to using that tone with some kind of other glass cheaper glass? Is there much less cost

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savings? >> You're going to save versus the ballistic. Obviously, if you don't go ballistic, you're you're not going to be able to stop hand, >> right? >> But if you were to go with the heavier 38 tempered and put a film on that, it's

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going to really be tough for somebody to get through it. If you were to do a laminated, you know, two tempered pieces with a laminate, that would be harder to get in. But then it gets the cost goes way up with that

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stuff. >> You're replacing frames. >> Yeah. If you think that you can get by security-wise with just a barrier that people can't break through real easy, you could go with a halfinch polycarbonate or go with a tempered with

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the film on it and you'd be able to slow people down and it would be very difficult for them to get through it. >> And you're just speaking about a weapon. a weapon >> other than >> a hammer, a crowbar, >> you know, base. Yeah. Anything like

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that. Um, but again, then you aren't going to stop. >> Is is the staff worried about actual firearms >> or or people >> That's what they or people that's what you guys need to decide which level of safety you need to go to. I think it's

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more the I think it depends on the difference. >> It just depends on financial Has there been any weapons brands for the city hall? >> Yes. >> Right. That was a while. >> Last week.

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>> Really? >> So I think that safety is paramount. >> Yes. >> And we have do whatever we need to do in order for them to feel safe.

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And so I agree with Councilman Gro that we need to do an assessment of this and if we can find the money for it, great. Um meaning a a grant, but even if we don't find a

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grant, we need to find a way to get this done. >> Well, we could repurpose some of the bond funding. Oh, that's right. We do have for the um Yeah. CSP. Yeah. rep prioritize that list. Yeah. Um

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I mean I can I can certainly we're going to be gone for a week leaving Saturday. I'd certainly be willing to do that, but um I think it'd be uh well worth our while to get a

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proposal on um a smaller opening. >> Yeah. um and to do the um laminated glass with the film on the interior of the vestibial because the outside is open all the time anyway. Um

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that would be a simple quick thing to do and I I think we should our security firm CS WS >> but um >> I think panic and um electronic strike on the inner

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door and yeah >> just for a lockdown purpose. If you see somebody coming >> hit a button and it'll lock it down. >> What if I'm not at my desk? Well, >> eventually I I think we should have that anyway.

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Probably good. Um it it's a step we can take, >> right? >> Or and you can use it like you described. You can buzz people in. >> Turn that door jam around so it opens up.

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>> Yeah, I we have to check with fire code. There might be a reason why it's Not inside when you have an opening. No fire is being stopped. >> I'm surprised it opens.

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>> Yeah. But there is an exit out. So you have the person that you guys went through training that did the shooter or whatever. >> Have you been able to reach out? Has he got >> I have his contact info but I didn't reach. >> Why don't we see if he can come and do an assessment? See how long it would

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take. >> I don't know that. >> Okay. see what they >> maybe like >> he um was at our clerk at clerk's institute and spoked about active shooters um and he was involved with one

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in New Hope years ago um mentally ill older man um they could not get him locked up >> they get him trespassed >> they couldn't get him trespassed nothing and he came into um a big meeting they were graduating

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some of their policemen that night and um walked right in with a rifle, started shooting and he of course didn't make it. One of the new recruits was shot um and another officer was shot as well. like um people in the vestibule

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celebrating these kids these new um police officers and um yeah it was every year we've heard about >> something you know so he could come give his side of the story but you I

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don't know that you know that would be helpful with our decision >> I think um we we're see if Kevin can maybe call some contractors and have him come and see how much it'll be to reduce the window size so that way we can a different quote on that. >> Yeah. >> Do you know contractors who have done this?

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>> I mean, fairly large contractors. Um, not like a smaller construction company. I mean, you know, we deal with uh Derek's a lot for gamers. They they will do a lot of

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remodel and can do some of that stuff, too. >> Just put in some solid car oak. There is um a firm that was working with the library on their stuff. It was very reasonable lot did a lot of free

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planning with them. We can reach out get their number and reach out. I'll get Kevin in touch with them. >> Is it wise for city staff to be parked three feet from a forest going to their cars? >> That's a separate issue. We're worried

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about indoors right now. Wow. >> I mean, we can't present unless you're we have a sheriff here. >> Um >> I say park over at the side. >> Yeah, that's good advice. Yeah.

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>> Well, let's do that. Let's start working on reducing it. Um I'm I'll bring everything with me to Ohio and that way if you want to just cop me on it and then I can work with Devon. Um, and then we'll figure out what that's going to cost. Get a different code for the

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glass. Um, do you guys do panic buttons and everything or would that just be through CWS? >> CS >> for the strike for >> not that. No, I can get that though. Okay, let's have them do that and then

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we'll reconvene on this on September 14th for we'll have multiple bids for glass too just so we have to >> yeah we reached out to white >> and if we don't >> try again if not >> we'll find somebody else >> or >> or just go

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>> do we have to >> we're not required >> we're not okay so let's just work with CWS then and then the contractor and then we'll put it all Yeah, there's a package and come back. >> If they didn't call back, that's fine, right? >> That's

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>> Can we discuss um at this point right now the office being unlocked and um or can we lock it? Should we? Um I would like I don't want to watch the camera every minute.

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>> It's a lot of getting up and down opening it, but I mean >> it is. But I'm not >> No, I know. >> Making an excuse on that. >> No, I know. I agree because I'll be have to do it. Uh, I guess if you feel like that much

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is a threat right now, and I'm not saying you shouldn't, um, then I'm okay if you have the door locked and answer it and allow constituents in and you can put a, you know, a memo out there saying why

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>> at this time we stop Nobody voted to have it fall. >> Yeah. So after tomorrow you want to come up with and then do that and then we'll work as fast as we can and >> I think we were in agreement with something right having the doors more

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secure >> not as permanent. So >> once you make the decision it's still another four to six weeks. >> Exactly. It's very >> So we're looking a couple months now. We need some security.

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>> Okay. >> You have Paul said there share with the Lord of God. >> He did that without >> I was just going to look for some >> try to see if my brows are history. I can find them again. >> I'll check into it. >> Seemed like it was on the state.

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on the LMC portable. >> Yeah. >> Um I I would say if we're looking for an assessment, maybe the LMC has somebody because they have the safety guy come out. >> Oh yeah, that's right. >> Um phone call to them, see if there's any

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resources they can offer. >> I'll send it tonight and they get back to me really quick. So I think I'll get contacts and share them and we can go from there. >> Okay. For the meantime, I would just go ahead and start on Wednesday and

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>> we'll move as fast as we can. I know it's going to take time, so I apologize. Everything does. >> Everything does. >> Did anybody verify the information I got that he's locked up? >> You didn't have time. Nobody wanted to do that. That's not our >> our responsibility.

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He was threatening. >> Yeah. We're just leaving it at that. >> All right. Um, well, we made it through it. Another successful meeting. Leaison or members, do you guys have anything you want to report? >> Updates? >> I don't think so. Right now.

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>> Okay. Well, our next meeting is September 14th, uh, back upstairs at 6 p.m. So, on that note, I'll need a motion and a second for adjournment. Please, >> I'll make a motion to the next meeting. >> I'll second. All >> in favor? Say hi. >> All right. >> Hi.

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>> Thank you everybody. Have a good night. >> Find me for everyone. Do I got to pay you to pay the I call up this face. And then he gives me right away. This seems like it'd be less very talking

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so much. Have a good night. >> Great. They actually got a little more history to it. The statues, you know, so they decided to go all in. >> What happens if you have s

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in charge. >> I know somebody that is