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Good evening everyone. This is the town council meeting for June
30th, 2026. Please turn off or silence your cell
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during normal operating hours. Ms. Seader can you please call the roll? Council member Cahill? Here. Council member Carmichael? Here. Council member Espinosa? Here. Council member Liebowitz? Here.

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Council member Rashid? Here. Council member Uhrin? Here. Council president Lombardi? Here. And would everyone please join the flag salute. I pledge of allegiance, to the 
flag, of the United states of America. And to the republic, for which it stands, 
one nation, under god, indivisible. 
With liberty and justice for all. Number five, do we have any comments
from the administration or council regarding the adjournment of any matters
on this agenda? Carmichael does.

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I'd like to speak. You know, like you said. Me. Right? You said the council, right? Sure. Yes. Good evening everyone. Council and the mayor and, 
visitors in the audience. I want to speak on number nine. Number nine, the ordinance first
reading, amending and supplementing. Chapter 21, zoning to establish and enact
affordable housing. 78H.7 zone resolution adopting ordinance. I would, I would
like to move that this item,

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be postponed. First thing is, there was a meeting, supposed to be held with the residents
who oppose this ordinance. And it was and I think I just
my understanding was this was rescheduled, but they are asking,
that they have the opportunity to sit with the mayor
and discuss their concerns more openly and, discuss options. When they were here initially, they
they brought up issues of, property values, neighborhood care,

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infrastructure and traffic. Traffic was a big concern, safety to the children living in the area. School overcrowding. And, those were those were their main issues and
especially the safety of their children. And so I, would like to ask this be postponed until they can have
a meeting with the mayor to talk, or they can speak on their concerns
and additional options. And I also see here it says,
this is affordable housing.

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Totally affordable
multifamily housing and or age restricted. And that the option of the age restriction
be discussed with them more as well. So that is my motion is to postpone
this until after the residents in this area have the opportunity
to meet with the mayor. Thank you Councilwoman Carmichael, I'm
going to have the attorney speak to this. So unfortunately this this ordinance, is kind of time bound pursuant to the court litigation
that has been proceeding.

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So we have to get it done
within a certain period. Now it’s only the council's first reading,
so that hopefully that meeting with the residents
will happen before seconding. And if there's an amendment that 
needs to be done, we can maybe see
if the court will give us an extension. But right now we are in a very,
very tight timeline. So I do recommend to approve this on first reading. I'll discuss, more and then explain more when the item comes up.

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Thank you for that clarification. Anyone else with comments? Seeing none, we're going to move to. Number six. Which will be open to the public
for comments regarding items number ten, the consent agenda items only. I have a question for the consent agenda. Okay. Yeah. I just wanted more context. And if,
I can get some more clarity on item number ten, C and G.

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I can answer the, So, the mayor has answered to C which is part of our 
fourth round affordable housing. And with. Respect to G. That has to do with our community
development building, also known as the Italian-American club that is further down Sydney Road. That's because the, development of that has extended beyond,
the originally planned.

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So we need to have additional
administrative support from our architectural
firm, Meta Architects. So this encompasses, not only going
forward until December, but the previous. Services they provided that they were. Not compensated for because it needed
to go in front of the governing body. All right. Thank you. Okay. Now we are going to do a little test run
because we may have the opportunity to have the technical
difficulty worked on. Via PCTV: This is mic testing.

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Where we open remotely. Via PCTV: Mike test. Via PCTV: Mic mic mic test. We have not solved that problem. So we are not going to be opening
to remote attendees this evening at this point for each public comment
portion the in-person attendees, if you wish to speak at this time, please come to the podium, state
your name, address, and know that you have three minutes
in which to make your comments. You may take a seat after the completion
of your comments or questions, and the council or administration
will respond if necessary.

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Please note that this is open
to the public for the consent agenda items only at this time. We are now open to the public for the consent
agenda items. Okay. I'm here for item number nine. If that's not up yet, no, thank. You. Thank you. Seeing none, I'm going to close the public portion
for the consent agenda Items. Number
seven is an ordinance second reading. It's the acquisition of 30 Murray Avenue block 1906, lot 33.01.

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It will be open to the public. It's a resolution adopting ordinance. Ms Seader can you please read this
ordinance. Be resolved by the township council of Piscataway Township,
New Jersey, that an ordinance entitled ordinance authorizing the acquisition
of certain property identified as block 1906, lot 33.01,
30 Murray Avenue, in the township of Piscataway,
County of Middlesex, State of New Jersey, for public purpose pursuant to NJSA 48:12-1 etc. was introduced on the 11th day of June
2026, and it passed the first reading

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and was published on the township website
on the 12th day of June 2026. Now, therefore, be it resolved,
that the aforesaid ordinance, having had a second reading on June
30th, 2026, be adopted, passed, and after passage be published together
with a notice of the date of passenger
approval on the Township website. Be further resolved that this ordinance
shall be signed number 2026 -12. Thank you Ms. Seader I will now open to the public
because this is a second reading. So we have to open to the public
anyone wishing in person to come up,
for the public portion of this please.

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We are now open to the public for anyone
in person regarding the ordinance. Number seven, can we get a Clarification on what it is? It's an acquisition of a piece of property
on 30 Murray Avenue, if. I may, Council president,
this is property that is adjacent to West Library. That's now vacant. And, it behooves us
since it's being sold. The,
owner is willing to sell it to the town, and we don't know what the needs are going
to be 25, 30 years down the road.

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So if there needs to be
an expansion of the library or the building and or parking. Thank you. Seeing
no one's coming up for the public portion, we're going to close the public portion
of that second reading for number seven. Do I have an offer? Offer, Councilwoman Cahill. Do I have a second? Second. Espinosa. Ms. Seader, can you please call the roll? Council member Cahill? Yes. Council member Carmichael? Yes. Council member Espinosa? Yes.

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Council member Liebowitz? Yes. Council member Rashid? Yes. Council member Uhrin? Yes. Council president Lombardi? Yes, and number seven passes. Number eight is an ordinance
first reading authorizing the expansion of utility agreement with the Piscataway
Township Board of Education. 450 Rivercrest Drive. Is the resolution adopting ordinance. Ms. Seader,
can you please read this ordinance? Be resolved by the Township Council of Piscataway
Township, New Jersey, that an ordinance entitled: ordinance
authorizing the execution of an agreement

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to expand a permanent access
and utility easement affecting block 10402, lot 1.01, Conackamack school 5205 Witherspoon Street and property
known as block 7305, lot 19.02 450 Rivercrest Drive in the Township
of Piscataway, County of Middlesex, State of New Jersey be and is hereby
adopted on the first reading that it be published
on the Township website, and that a second reading and public hearing
be held at 7 p.m. prevailing time at the Piscataway
Municipal Building, 455 Hoes Lane,

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Piscataway, New Jersey,
on the 21st day of July 2026. Be it further resolved that a copy of this ordinance shall be posted
in at least two public places within the township prior
to the day of the second reading and final passage, and a copy of this ordinance
shall be made available at the office of the Township Clerk. For any interested member of the public. If I may Council President, This is at the recommendation of the Fire
Marshal. It's going to allow for better fire
suppression pressure for both the school district
and that section of town. Right now it's just the water line
 just dead ends right there.

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So this is going to be like
a circular loop out there. So that's why they need to widen the easement out there
for the water utility company. Thank you for that clarification, mayor. D
I have an offer? Councilman Uhrin, offer. A second. Second, Espinosa. Ms. Seader, can you please call the roll? Council member Cahill? Yes. Council member Carmichael? Yes. Council member Espinosa? Yes. Council member Leibowitz? Yes. Council member Rashid? Yes. Council member Uhrin? Yes.

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Council president Lombardi? Yes. And number eight passes first
reading. Number nine is an ordinance. First reading, amending and supplementing
chapter 21 zoning to establish and enact
affordable Housing. 7AH-7 Zone Resolution adopting Ordinance. Ms. Seader,
can you please read this ordinance? Be resolved by the Township
Council of Piscataway Township, New Jersey,
that an ordinance entitled An Ordinance to Amend and Supplement
chapter 21, zoning of the Revised General

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Ordinances of the Township of Piscataway,
County of Middlesex, State of New Jersey, to establish and enact
the Affordable Housing 7AH-7 zone to address compliance with the township's
affordable housing obligations. Be and is hereby
adopted on the first reading that it be published
on the Township website and that a second reading,
a public hearing, be held at 7 p.m. prevailing time at the Piscataway
Municipal Building, 455 Hoes Lane, Piscataway, new Jersey,
on the 21st day of July 2026. Be it further resolved that
a copy of this ordinance shall be posted in at least two public places
within the township

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prior to the day of the second
reading and final passage, and a copy of this ordinance
shall be made available at the Office of the Township Clerk
for any interested member of the public. Thank you, Ms. Seader, and please note, this is the only
the first reading of this ordinance, and I'm going to have our attorney speak,
a little bit about this to you, okay. On the compromises that we are trying
to work on at the moment. Thank you, Council president. So essentially. As a. As council has, been informed about,
throughout this process, the affordable

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Housing process is extremely difficult and the township,
even though we were trying to get that number down and litigation,
unfortunately, the township has to build over
500 units of affordable housing, which equates to about 2500 units
around town. What's effectively happened
is that the township now has to pretty much try and, negotiate with every developer
to try and make sure that affordable housing is built
and also try and,

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lower that density as much as possible. Because 2500 units
would be nearly impossible, and would be detrimental to the town
traffic wise, etc.. As part of the negotiations
and settlement, the in the settlement with the court, this property was included
in that settlement. And nearly fell through without
without this property being included. If the settlement falls through and
or if we don't pass this ordinance

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and continue abiding by the settlement
that the court has approved and and essentially, guided us into, I would say it's more of a court pushed settlement than us actually, agreeing voluntarily
to but, to the extent that if we don't do that, 
will be in breach of the settlement. We will lose our immunity. To builders remedies. What that effectively means
is that builders around town and developers around
town will be able to.

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Sue us for their zoning And on their land
and essentially, sue us to build higher density
if they want. We essentially the,
the minimum control we have now would be basically vacated. We'd be in tons of lawsuits, fighting
and defending to keep density down. Why don't we explain
how this is going to affect their property So for this property specifically, even though the ordinance says 83 unit

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and that's to comply with the settlement,
we have worked hard working with the developer
to lower that number so far. Right
now, we've agreed with them at 50 units. Okay. So that's where we're at. So even though the ordinance says 83,
that's the max in the zoning and that's not what's being built there. So, this is again first reading. So I request the town,
the council to pass it, because if we don't pass it,
I think our deadline and I will confirm. But the deadline, from what I was told
is July 31st.

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So we kind of have a very short timeline
to pass first and second reading,
which is why it needs to be done tonight. So I'd request the council
to pass on first reading. I mean, the mayor, I understand,
are going to be meeting with the residents to talk about this issue
in further detail. And I think our planner is coming also. And we're definitely going to take the,
you know, the resident input, but unfortunately, this this needs to happen. Okay. Can you please, explain, how we have more rights as to what

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what it’s going to look like and esthetics
and that type of thing. If we go through it with this way. Yeah. So because we've been able to negotiate
with the developer, we've had a lot of, say and input and so we're going to have, a significant amount of leverage in terms of, of how it looks,
the architectural design, the, the parking flow, traffic, etc.. You know, entries and exits,
all that stuff. So we will be able to hopefully mitigate
as much as we can.

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Unfortunately, at the end of the day,
this is an empty piece of land that 
the developer was going to build on. We have no way to stop them
from building on it unless it would. It would cost us millions of dollars
to try and purchase of open space, which, you know, the township unfortunately
doesn't have the budget to purchase these, these properties. So the only benefit is that we get to control,
actually, how much they're building and try and lower
that density as much as possible. Which is a bit of a compromise
from the start. Yeah. Fortunately,
it's a tough situation.

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It's not something that the township
wants. It's not something that I think
of course, the residents are here to that they don't want. But it's something
that, you know, we're working hard to to find the best solution for everybody. And the attorneys and planners involved. We have we have our township
planner working heavily on it. We have outside planners working on it. There's a court has a planner, multiple attorneys
working on this to try and really just to mitigate the damage
as much as possible on neighborhoods.

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Thank you for that explanation. Council President, before we take a vote, 
I did want to ask one more question. Or maybe two. So, because of the particular, agreement
that we have with the developer here in terms of input from the township. Will they be coming before planning or zoning with their plans? They will be. Yes, they will be in front
of the planning board. So they know. All the residents will get noticed
when the developer comes

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with their plans in front of the 
planning board? Yeah. At least property
owner within 200ft will be noticed. But I'm sure we can put it out there. So the neighborhood is aware and so they can come to the planning board and
voice their concerns when the application is
is going through that process. And one other question,
since the ordinance also includes this, to be age restricted, will the township
be able to have any influence on that? Like if I wanted to support that? I will go back to the to the attorneys.

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Planners,
and see what those discussions are. I will say there's- I could imagine. I think it has to do with whatever
the court planner. Yeah, it's the
the problem is, we've been good. You know, I don't want to say
too much in the public, but it's 
been a tough road in terms of also. Okay, you can't say it, but I will. This bill stinks. Okay. No, it does I. It's absolutely terrible what the state did to 
all these municipalities around the town. I understand. I know, there's a lot of high density
advocates out there

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but they're at it again
down in the state legislature. wanting to throw local
zoning out the door with all the nonsense that's going on. But also too, was
the whoever was down there in Trenton, because correct me
if I'm wrong, councilor, is that the town was also well,
maybe most towns were put in a position when by the time we did get
what the formula was, it gave us a very short window
to come up with the plan. Is that correct? Not the normal amount of time
that they should have, number one. And number two is it's still accurate.

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I know we're fighting it,
but is it still accurate that the folks there in Trenton
gave Piscataway Township its calculation that included lands that you could not
build on, including this space? So that calculation as it stands today, and I understand we're fighting
the good fight on that, but we're not going to have an answer
before we lose out on having as much control as we possibly
could have as a municipality. Where we would have to approve this tonight
to not miss that window.

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But we're still, as a township
trying to argue that calculation, because in fact,
it included lands that are not that we can't build on
including this space right here. Is that correct? Yes. So that that appeal is still pending. However if there might be an argument
by the court that, if and when the settlement
finally goes through that appeal, they may deem it moot. Understood, but
they still didn't do their due diligence.

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Yeah. I mean, we're trying every avenue we are, we're not waiving any arguments. We are fighting tooth and nail. And to your point about the timeline,
the timeline was crazy. I mean, we had attorneys and planners working New Years Eve all the way through
pretty much midnight on Christmas and Christmas Day
because we were all working, because the timeline
was just so expedited. It was. And to the extent that I think the state couldn't keep up, like you said,
they had put in, and properties

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around the town as part of our calculation
and formula, properties that were, I mean, the municipal, the DPW yard, the municipal, anywhere there was grass on
a satellite, they counted it, you know. And so it has been a fight. And I think we're close to the best thing
we could probably have. But it's not, you know, it is. It's something that's been foisted on us
and forced on us. Right. And not that this is going to change the residents opinion,
because I can certainly understand

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their angst about all of this, because I
certainly would feel the same way. But just so that they understand
why you worked through the holidays and why you did
that was because exactly what we said. If we don't meet our obligation by the cutoff time, we absolutely, as a town lose all of our ability to say anything
about any large development here. And, to the mayor's point, there are, you know, advocacy groups
for affordable housing.

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We all know that we’re, this whole area
is short of housing. But, you know,
we just recently had an election when we're out talking to residents and they're like, well, I moved here
because I want to be in suburbia. I don't want to be in a city, and
I want to keep the esthetic of suburbia. So, again,
I'm not saying this to change your mind, but just so that you have an understanding
of, sort of the position that the township was put in, 
and planning Board and quite frankly,

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the planning board
that sent this to council because, well, first of all,
we want to make sure that people can afford homes and that they can build
generational wealth. Right. It's super important. A lot of people don't have that. And the other thing,
too, is to also maintain what we can to keep our township
with a certain esthetic with whatever controls
that we are legally allowed to have. So I want to be fully transparent
about that with you folks here too. Councilwoman, is this going to go to the
planning board on July 8th or July 22nd?

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It goes after our second
reading. Is that correct? So oh after First. This ordinance will be sent to The planning board for review, 
after first reading. So on your July. But it does not go into effect until after. Until after the second reading. So the planning board essentially looks
at it to make sure it's going to comply, and then it's going to come back to us
for second reading. Yes. And it only goes into effect
after second reading. Right? Two meetings in July. It's on the eighth of the 22nd. So when is it going to be on the. On the eighth and on. The eighth.

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Yeah yeah. Mean that meeting is going to happen
before the residents. So this is just on this ordinance. This is just the zoning zoning
for the property. It's not to do
with the actual development. The actual development application would be a separate application
to the planning board in the future. And that application
hasn't been submitted. So this in in terms of this property,
for instance, to give you an example
of what could happen, like we said, we would lose control
over zoning and density around town because these builders
would be able to sue us essentially

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on the limitations
and restrictions on their property to the extent that this property yet this
builder has actually been really good. I want to commend them
for like working with us to try and get the density down. But they could sell on, to someone else if this all falls through. And to the extent that that other person
could then sue us and put 100 units, 150 units on the property because our zoni If we lose, if we don't move forward,
it's a lose lose situation.

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Unfortunately, I can't tell the council
that that, you know, there's a solution to this. I can tell the council
that we have to do this because the detriment to the town,
both financially and to the and in terms of development controls, is just substantial. I mean, it's just unfathomable
what could happen to in terms of the township's
control over how the targets developed. Okay.
I just wanted to have that cleared up. Thank you. Council president.
Thank you. Council. I have a question. So in the timeline of this, where,
when will the traffic study

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be conducted? So all of that would be
part of the planning board application by the developer. So then they would have to
bring their experts, they would have to
do their traffic studies, etc.. So that would be down the road. Again, this is just the zoning ordinance
basically providing the outer
limits of what can be built there. And this is just so that the court,
so that we can show the court that we're moving forward with this,
and they're requiring us to do it by a certain deadline
and to show them that, you know, what? What's been agreed to is feasible here.

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And now it legally allowed. Council president, what's
ridiculous about this whole situation This is all supposed
to be built over a ten year period. But the way the courts have set this up
is that basically, in essence, everything is going to get built probably
within three years throughout the state. Yeah. Unfortunately, the timeline
that's being voiced is in the past round, we had to basically get commitments or, and, or just potential developments around town for the over
the next ten years. And we had to get,
you know, some commitments.

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But to the extent that this process
and what the court is requiring now is basically concrete development, and the court is checking in
with us on literally, every few weeks. And, you know, in terms of how we're
progressing on every site, right. That's every town. Yeah, it's every town. Every town in the state, because
every town has to meet this obligation. And if they don't, then they lose control. Yes absolutely. We're not
we're not the only one. I would say.

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I think we got one of the higher numbers.
Unfortunately, yes we did. And,
and I can go into that in further detail with the council if they want later on
or anybody in the audience. But, 
you know, we fought it and, and we're at where we are, so. Okay. No no no you can't,
you can't call out from the audience. Save that
for the public portion of the meeting. Okay. But I just wanted to ask. So the next meeting with the mayor
is July 20th, which is after the planning board.

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Planning board meeting? Yeah, but. The planning board
is just getting the ordinance to make. The planning board is just kind of dotting
the I’s and crossing the T’s Like I said, it's
not it's not anything that really has. It's just a. Yeah, exactly. No action. There's no action. There's no action. But the public can go in there and get some more information
about the development right? The developer's not coming
before the planning board? No. The only thing that the planning board
is going to look at is this document. It's just the ordinance, right? Yeah. There's no plans
in front of planning board. I don't even think there's a date
on the books.

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Right. Yeah. Yeah. This is just for us to meet the law. Yeah. The obligation. The obligation. Correct. Yeah. On the 20th,
the residents will have an opportunity again to see options, to discuss options? Yeah. I mean, to the extent that this ordinance
is what we have to do to comply with the law,
and the actual development plans are, not even concrete yet. So the meeting with, with the residents
will be good to really understand their concerns so that that can be taken
into consideration.

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And it will be before second reading. But to the extent that this ordinance
really has to comply with the settlement. And so I don't think
there can be modifications to this, there definitely can be taken into consideration
that there are concerns as to the development
and the negotiations with the developer. And then, of course, when they submit
their application to the planning board, that's when really, you know,
the planning board will have a little more say as to as to design, architecture,
buffers. Yeah. And I will say from being on planning
board, that is a key part of

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of hearing
the residents have their say too. When something goes before planning board. Okay. And so the second reading is on July 21st
according to this. Yes. Okay. I have a question. In the, developers doing the traffic study. They're doing the utility
and they're doing the roadway. Right? That's on them to do this? Yes. On the developer. And that will be part of the planning 
board application. Okay. So they would have to bring
in their experts and all their experts usually testify
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And is there a way for us to have a less subjective group
do those studies? The developer is bringing in their people
to do those studies. We have our, so we have our township
professionals review everything and provide their comments
and feedback and critique. So it's a dialog
between our people and their group. Okay. Oh right. It's never it's
never a set thing. So every time, somebody comes before us 
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who know this inside and out,
go back to the developer with all their comments
about whatever is submitted. Okay. Thank you. I will tell you that our professionals,
I see some of their comments now and then. I'm not the planning board attorney. But they fight hard for the township, you know, for things that they feel
that they should, They don't want to hear me. Okay. Thank you. Okay. So please note again,
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so may I have an offer to accept it? Offer Cahill. Can I have a second? Second Councilman Uhrin. Ms. Seader, can you please call the roll? Council member Cahill? Yes. Council member Carmichael? No. Council member Espinosa? Yes. Council member Liebowitz? Abstain. Council member Rashid? Abstain. Council member Uhrin? Yes. Council president

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Lombardi? Yes. I'm going to just take this opportunity. Our PCTV has been trying to get the zoom
to connect to the room. We're just going to give it one last try. I know on zoom that you can hear us,
but we cannot hear you. PCTV, can you Just conduct one more test, please? Via PCTV: This is a mic test. Via PCTV: Mic test. Testing. Via PCTV: One. Two. Via PCTV: One, two. Via PCTV: Mike. Via PCTV: Testing. One two. 123. Okay, thanks for trying, George.

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We’ll now move to number ten, which are the consent agenda
resolution items. We'll get there. We'll get there. Don't worry. For efficiency items have been consolidated into a consent
agenda to be voted on together. And the materials for these items have been distributed
to the council in advance of the meeting. Do I have a motion to accept the consent
agenda items? So moved. I have a second. Second. Can you please call the roll? Council member Cahill? Yes. Council member

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Carmichael? Yes. Council member Espinosa? Yes. Council member Leibowitz? Yes. Council member Rashid? Yes. Council member Uhrin? Yes. Council president Lombardi? Yes. And the consent agenda passes. You will have a public portion. So don't think I'm cutting you
out of the public portion of speaking. Now, number 11 are comments and announcements from officials. Gabrielle Cahill
I'd like to wish everyone in Piscataway a very happy 4th of July celebration
coming up.

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The town always has a great event down, at the school
and then the fireworks, which usually go off
somewhere on 9, 9:30. I'm always hoping for earlier,
so I hope everyone has a happy and healthy, safe, 
celebration of our 250th. I'd like to, ask everyone to be safe
during the holiday to stay hydrated. Watch Your pets. Don't let your pets be out
in the heat too long. And, happy 4th of July. Dennis Espinosa.

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Yes, 4th of July is coming,
so please be safe out there. Drive safely. Especially after the event. A lot of neighbors
go around and start driving up the The parking lots.
There's a lot of kids. High schoolers keep on roaming around,
so please be careful. Also,
for our neighboring residents, enjoy. I know they a lot of them
come to Piscataway to watch the, to watch the fireworks. One thing,
that you definitely need to know. Whoever walks green Acres,
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Green acres is going to be closed on
July 3rd, which is this Friday. They normally do that to set up
the fireworks and everything, and that's going to be closed until Sunday,
I believe till noon, Correct? So just, be wary of that. And also very hot week,
I think we hit the 98 and we're going to hit 100 pretty soon. So just to remind everyone that we have
cooling centers around the area, we have, one at the Y, which I believe that it's from Tuesday to Friday from 7 a.m.

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to 4 p.m. Sunday. I'm sorry, that Sunday, 7 a.m. to 4 p.m., and Tuesday
and Friday from 5:30 a.m. to 10 p.m. so they can use that facility. We have the Piscataway Township
Police Department right here, right across the street,
which is open Saturday, open all hours. And then we also have the libraries,
which are open from Tuesday-Thursday from 10 a.m. to 9 p.m.. So please, if you have, your neighbors
that are concerned about cooling systems in their house during this time because it always happens,
some cooling system just kind of not work. So you have these options as well.
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Thank you. Refer to the website for the
the hours and locations. That’s correct. To the Piscataway website. Thank you. Laura Liebowitz. All good information. Thank you so. Much. Just to. Let people know that the Cultural Arts. Commission,
our first summer concert will be July 9th at Columbus Park at 7 p.m.. Bring your own chair,
bring a blanket, bring your dancing shoes. The first band is Verdict Reggae

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Soca Band at 7 p.m.. I have just finished 44 years working at a sleepaway camp
in the Poconos. I have never been home
for the 4th of July, so this is my first fourth
and I'm very excited about it. Oh, that's funny because
you can say hashtag first fourth, right? Piscataway. Very true. Sara Rashid I'm also looking forward to the fireworks. I think Piscataway has one of the best
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so I'm excited about that. For the Cultural Arts Commission, there is the art contest,
the 250 Years of America celebrating. So, they have multiple categories,
from younger children to adults. The deadline date is August 22nd. So if you like to paint
and you have an artistic look, try it. Have your paintings ready. Before August 22nd. Councilwoman, is there a theme
or it could be any piece of art.

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Is it is. Celebrating 250 years of okay America. Right. Thank you. Via PCTV: Test. Via PCTV: Test. Mayor. Nope. Frank Uhrin. Everyone have a happy and safe 4th of July. Mayor, I very briefly, just want to,
let the folks know. Two years ago,
we had a situation during 4th of July where over the birch
client development off of Birch Run drive

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where some residents decided to light,
some aerials up and the woods behind the townhouses
went on fire and ended up burning down
18 of the units there. It was a major fire
that happened on the 4th of July. So we're just kindly asking the residents,
first of all, it's illegal to have the aerials, but more importantly, just come and watch
the professionals we have the one we probably have the best fireworks
display in all central new Jersey. We do. And so reminder,
we're in a drought emergency now. There's no reason to do that.

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I don't want to ever have to be out there
on 4th of July at midnight, along with all the first responders
trying to find shelter for these people that were burned out of our houses
because, Carelessness,
and I think recklessness of some folks shooting off the fireworks, they damn
well knew that that could have happened. And it did happen. So, secondly,
I just want to let the residents know, a strong objection to what's going
to happen on Thursday over at Rutgers, University in conjunction with choose New Jersey,
is having a rock concert at the stadium.

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They're expecting more than 20
plus thousand people there. And the significance of that is
that we don't want this a slippery slope happening,
that they're going to have rock concerts at that stadium all the time,
to the detriment of the neighborhood. We noted our objections
to the university, this week and to choose New Jersey, and to everybody in the state
that we're expecting that this will be just because
it's our 250th anniversary of our country. And by the way, I get the celebration

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because we were the home of the first 4th
of July celebration. However, I'm concerned about ulterior
motives at Rutgers University. They're in a financial crunch. They want to have rock concerts there
in the month of June, July and August
to supplement their budget. And I don't think that the residents
over in that neighborhood should have to suffer through that. Quite frankly,
we've been having some problems over the years with some of the practice
times over there. So you're probably going to hear more
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But I we're reminding the university
officials that there was always
a handshake agreement that there would never, ever
be concerts over there at that facility, going back to when the expansion
of the stadium took place in 1991. So I'm expecting them to, 
keep that agreement. And at some point, I may have to ask
the council to do a resolution objecting to the university's send
on, their city formerly known by that. And the governor's office. Business administrator Paula Cozzarelli? Thank you, Council president,
just a quick update.

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With regard to our solar project,
the Department of Energy approved a reimbursing
the township $250,000. So I'm waiting for that, funding. I also just would like to, 
bring a little update to the Echo Park. So the. I'm working with the engineers,
we're going to and we did discuss combining phase one and phase two. And because we're doing that, I'm going to go back out to the Browns
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to get additional funding where
we were eligible, up to $3 million a year. So, we're going to ask for. More money for that combination. So working with the engineer for a plan. Hopefully will be acceptable
to the entities I described. And then I just wanted to, recognize,
we had a medical situation that occurred, and I just really want to recognize
the officers, that because of them, a life was saved. I would like to recognize.

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Captain Smith. Sergeant Manco. Sergeant Ty, detective smith. Officer Piano. Detective Patel,
officer Alcantara, officer Muhammad. These officers worked diligently, quickly. When you have a life threatening. Emergency, every second counts. It is because of their quick action
as to why, you know, they saved a life. This is huge and, remarkable. Really what they did.

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And I just really want to recognize them
tonight and say thank you. And Yes. Happy 4th of July. Thank you for that. Good news on the money’s 
for the ecological park. Our town attorney. No comments. And I guess, what I have left at this point,
I want to thank all of our emergency services personnel
that will help to make this 4th of July, a good event, a safe event.

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And again, they all volunteer their time
to this community. And I would like to personally thank them
for everything that they will have to do over this weekend. And, as we prepare to celebrate the 250th
birthday of the United States, let us reflect on what brings us together
as a community and as a nation. For 250 years,
America has been built by neighbors, helping neighbors,
by people willing to serve and by communities working together
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Here in Piscataway,
we see those values every day in the families, gatherings at our parks. The volunteers who show up for township
events, the first responders who protect our neighborhoods,
the small businesses that line our roads, and the residents who make every corner
of our town stronger. From Stelton to New Market,
from River Road to Possum Town, Piscataway is a community
where people look out for one another and take pride in calling this town home. As we head into Independence Day holiday,
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a safe, joyful, and meaningful
celebration. May we take a moment
to appreciate the freedoms we enjoy, honor
those who have protected them, and look forward with hope
as we begin America's next 250. Thank you. Happy 250th birthday to The United States of America. We’ll now move into the agenda session for the July 24th, 2026 meeting. On that agenda,
we'll have an ordinance second reading

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authorizing the expansion of utility
agreement with the Piscataway Township Board of Education, 450 Rivercrest Drive,
and it will be open to the public and it will be a resolution
adopting ordinance. Any questions or comments from Council? On there will be an ordinance second
reading, amending and supplementing chapter 21 zoning to establish and Enact Affordable Housing 7AH zone open to the public and it will be
a resolution adopting ordinance. Any questions or comments from Council

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on that agenda? Sorry Go ahead. Madam President. I would like to request
if the residents could move their meeting up earlier than July 20th
to have that discussion with the mayor. Absolutely. Might be a good idea. On that agenda will be a resolution
authorizing chapter 159 2026 alcohol education,
rehabilitation and Enforcement Fund. DWI’s. Questions or comments from Council? And on that will also be a resolution
authorizing the refund of an overpayment of taxes
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So at this time, we'll now be number 13 and we will open to the public anyone in the audience
that would like to come up, at this time, please state your name and address and know that you have three minutes
in which to speak. Yes. Hello. Excuse. My voice is a little cold. Andrew Morris,
410 Highland Avenue here in Piscataway. Hi, everyone. Hi, Council. First. Yeah. Good evening. I'd like to thank, Miss Carmichael,
Sharon Carmichael, thank you very much

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for working for the citizens of your ward and speaking up so forthrightly
to everyone in regard to Ward three. We really, really appreciate you. I want to say thank you to the mayor
and to Dana, who helped us out greatly. And in agreeing to meet with all of us, to discuss, I guess, a smaller group to discuss possible options and ways and to hear our concerns
in more than three minutes. So thank you all. We greatly appreciate that. Thank you. Attorney also. So here we go.

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So don't get this wrong. This is not an issue about affordable
housing. That's not why we are here. This issue is about 
the housing project being too large for this location. It is close to the school, only a half a block away, 400ft. So this housing is composed of 50 units. Now that still one car, two cars
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on the street every day
on a street that is, that is a two lane, one lane
this way, one lane that way. No lights, no nothing, no nothing. It's a residential zone. Neighborhood. Zoning has nothing to do with that
zoning. Rezoning is just renaming. But if you have a hundred additional cars
on that street every day
or times a day, the endangerment and the risk to children
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voice their concern regarding
the safety of children and family because of the impact of traffic
and congestion on the normal schedule flow of school and children and family
as they go to and from all through the day, with 100 extra cars
sitting on that corner. So we're asking you, why that corner? Why must that place
get a hundred extra cars there when other areas are not getting as many,
they're getting maybe 20 extra cars.

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What, 12 extra cars? But no one's scheduled right here. To my knowledge. You get a hundred extra cars
there every day for in perpetuity. I know
my time is short, so I'm talking fast. So in closing,
children are our most precious commodity. But this housing complex of 50 apartments, it's an over 100 cars. It's the wrong location for this project. It endangers school children, family and community services,

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elderly, senior citizens like myself, anyone who get sick in that area
with 100 cars, it makes a traffic jam any time of day. So any time an emergency vehicle has to get through,
they are backed up or delayed. And I think the mayor there just referred
to people getting sick and injured. And now there's 100 cars
in one location there. So I would ask you all to please, 
reconsider building such a large unit in that one small area.

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Thank you. Thank you sir. Good evening, Council member and Mr. Mayor, my name is Saiu Ahmed from 399
Highland Avenue. And I'm
a concerned resident of the Heights. Look around this room. tonight. We are not just a list
of people on a petition. We are mothers, fathers, grandparents
and hardworking taxpayers. We are a community of families who build
our lives in a quiet, single family. Our ten residential zone.

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But tonight, our safety, our children, safety, our entire neighborhood
are under immediate threat from this high density
Macedonia property proposal. Our streets are narrow. Within just a few hundred feet of this
proposed high density building. We have four churches, two schools. Think about it. That's four churches and two schools. This infrastructure simply cannot handle
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This complex will bring. We are talking about dangerous bottlenecks
during morning school bus drop offs, during school events,
and during solemn hours of worship. Are we really willing to risk a child being struck by a car,
or an emergency vehicle being trapped in a bottleneck
just to clear the path of a developer? Our children's lives are absolute, non-negotiable. Furthermore.

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Utility grids will strain. Shoving a massive multi
unit complex in a single family zone is an absolute failure
of public safety. If you grant this extreme zoning variance, you are tearing down Piscataway. We call it home. You will set a dangerous precedent that tells every developer, come
in, combine a few lots and dismantle any single family neighborhood
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Every single one of us in this room must strictly adhere to the township's
law and zoning code. Every single day. Why are the rules bent
for outsider developers while the residents are left
to suffer the consequences? We demand strict municipal accountability, total transparency, and a full halt to these variances. Protect our neighborhood. Protect our children. Do the right thing. Many of you who live in Piscataway,

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Would you be accepting this? If that happens in your street? Thank you. Thank you sir. Hey. Good evening, Council members. My name is Plano Patel
and I reside at 705 Plainfield Avenue. I'm here tonight to respectfully request. I'll hold the mic down. Hello? Okay. Yeah. So I'm here tonight to respectfully
request a council oversight regarding a matter of municipal compliance
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that has been pending for nearly, like,
more than ten months. My family have been living under this TCO
because several required municipal
infrastructure items remains incomplete. While we are in communication,
the builder simply keeps this item pending
and isn't taking action to complete items. Which has made this past ten month
very stressful to my family. I'm reaching out to the administration
and kindly followed up yesterday also to seek advice,
but as we didn't hear back from them,

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I'm coming to this council meeting
to politely request your help, as a homeowner.
I want to clarify to the Township that I am not asking the town
to manage a public contract. I'm asking the town
to enforce its own municipal building codes and open TCO related items. The builder is currently pointing to delay
regarding utility fiber optic conduct on the site
that is tall. However, there are several critical
outstanding municipal checklist items that can be completed independently without any issue
and can be finished right away.

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So as a taxpayer and a resident, I am incredibly grateful
for the communication I had with Mr. Hoffman Herrera. We are truly looking forward
for this township as an ally to help us to get this over
the finishing line. I'm kindly asking the council tonight
to help and correct the builder to complete this
final outstanding issue items so that this results and my family
can finally secure a permanent seal. Thank you for your time. And, yeah,
this is my first, council meeting,

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so I have just been in, Piscataway
like less than a year, but it feels good. But I hope, we can tackle this
in this council meeting. Thank you. Council president, I just would like to bring our attorney up
to speed with respect to this, this resident
purchased a home,a developer developed A 4 lot subdivision. He's having difficulties
with the developer. The township has done a tremendous, and I think you'll agree right? Mr. Herrera and Mr.

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Hoff have done a Herculean effort. To try and help this resident. Unfortunately, as I had described, that,
you know, we can only work within the purview
of what the government entity can do, Mr. Hoff. Actually, coordinated with the Department
of Community Affairs and arbitrator. To come in and try. To work this out
with your developer and you. So, Raj, this is a matter that is really out of the township's
hands. It was a problem that he's having that
this resident unfortunate.

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It is unfortunate
he's having difficulty with the developer. We, our engineer. Has tried to intervene. Our construction officials
try to intervene to assist. But at this point. An arbitrator
has been assigned to the matter. And we can only. Do what is under our purview. And so I would like to add
that I'm just talking about the TCO related item
which falls into, Piscataway Township. So I hope this is not my personal matter. This is the township related TCO outstandi

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We can to let's talk and we'll talk to Joe
and Joe Hoff and Joe Herrera offline and see if there are any outstanding
township items that we can get resolved. Okay. Sounds good. Yep. Thank you so much. Dorretta Gray, 318 Rivercrest Drive. Welcome. So my understanding is that
because we told the court That we had a single parcel of land on which we could have 100% affordable

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housing, enough to meet our obligation that we are locked into it
being that particular piece of. Property. And that amount. It has to be you have to meet
the obligation with that particular piece. Is that correct? And why not
let us ask all of your questions and then so this way you don't exceed. And then we'll answer those cuts one. And then the other one
is about the developers. You mentioned that and you said the developers. So I assume that means
there are different ones in town different

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that if we don't build this
on this particular piece of property,
making it 100% affordable housing, that somehow
these developers could sue us. So I'm just, can you connect the dots? How does that work? Yeah, for sure. Let them give you an explanation. So first of all, we're only getting it down to 50 units
by putting housing elsewhere. And that's how it's not we're
we're not just negotiating it down.

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Two, the developer was already going
to build on this property. And what happened is the state doesn't that we don't say, okay, this one
piece of property needs to be built on That's
how we're going to meet our guideline. The state requires us to say
every and literally, probably every piece of open space in New Jersey
is now being built on. They did it. The state did it. They told us where we can build. The state told us
where we would have to build a section. They tell us? Yes. That particular piece 
has to be built on? They put

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So they if we went by what the state required us to do. I think I had talked to the mayor, and
I think we were having to build a density of about 50 units per acre
on every remaining piece of open space
we have in the township. That's what the state is 
requiring us to do. And so what we're effectively doing is having to go to every developer
that's going to build on every lot that we knew that someone
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and basically negotiate
with them to build in affordable housing. Oh, I thought developers were obligated to. Only 20%, yeah. And even the ones that had already were already planned in the third round
or had less percentages. It's only the new round, those 20%. So to the extent that like yes, this was going to get built on, if we didn't make this affordable
housing, it still would have been 50.

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It still probably would have been over
100 units. Why would that be? You know, because
at the end of the day They still would have had to build out a certain number
of affordable around town. It would have been somewhere else. And it would probably
we would have had high rises. At one point there was discussions of. 
But wouldn’t it be more spread out around town? 
There's no spread. There's literally I will tell you that
there is no spread around town of 50 units per acre is what we would have to build
if we weren't building affordable housing. So that's literally
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Which is crazy. Raj, 
you might want to explain that. Yeah. In the developer, like in order to meet
this particular requirement. And once again, because in our formula
and probably other towns suffered this as well,
the state calculated this land as, developable land, over DPW yard. I don't mean this building,
but anywhere that was green grass. That affects then how much we have. So they've picked spaces
where we cannot build. Right. But included it in the calculation
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But so I'll give you an example. So when our planners went back
and they literally had probably less than a week to figure this out,
it was a crazy short window. But when they went back and analyzed
every plot of land in the township, we found that there was probably only
about 60 acres buildable with the with the state requirement
of five over 500 units of affordable
housing at 20%, we were going to have to build
2500 units on those 60 acres. It's it would
be it would be high rises everywhere.

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So it seems like it's coming down
to this little piece of land less than an acre in the middle of our well-established
neighborhood is the savior for this. I don't think that's a less than an acre,
though, right? Isn't it .7? You know thats, Yeah.
I mean, every section of town is, is. Are there other neighborhoods
that are. Yeah. To get an apartment building? Oh, absolute Every. Yeah. Absolutely. Every 2nd Street I think. Yeah. And another, another 400 units next
to Eisenhower School.

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Yeah. Even. Yeah. I mean, you know,
literally every empty building or open lot
is having to be built on. Every area of The town's going to get nailed. Why is it the other developers who have
their own projects can sue the township? They can't right now. Well so. Although we have a Developer, we have a developer
suing us and part of this affordable housing litigation
per developer that we didn't include. Yeah. And it basically sued us
and said we want to build

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more density and effectively. What's happening is that if we don't actually come to an agreement
and we were hamstrung, we couldn't we didn't have any other place
to put stuff. We ran out of places to put stuff. And so every piece of open land
is essentially being developed. And so and. I'm, I'm missing a connection
here. What, what. So another developer
wants to make a bigger high rise. Do you know if. We make this. One in at the Macedonia. They won't be able to make
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Oh and they're still building
bigger high rises, you’ll see. So yeah I mean it's Right now our zoning doesn't allow for high
rises. No. We have one exception. I if I could just councilor one second. So, I think Ms Gray
you had had some comments about, the town center when it was initially, 
the developer was coming out. Yes, because it's right up 
against the neighborhood. And we wanted a buffer. Correct. That developer sued the town, and his idea was to build one high rise

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near where you live,
all affordable housing. And that was going to be the solution. We found that unacceptable
to build towers in this town. We've spoken to people time and time again
is that they don't want high rise apartments in this town. And how can he so sue the township? Because he's a developer offering a judge
an affordable housing plan. They came to,
they came to the court. He can do. It. They said We can build those 2500 units
on our property and

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And the plan
that you saw would have not looked any. Nothing you saw would exist.
You wouldn’t have a town center, You would have no necessarily having
single family homes where they were. He would have total control of that. And right up against where you live,
he could have built if he decided, anything he wanted. So the judge only listens 
to the developer? No, we're we brought a plan. We brought a counter. We had counter plans. The court, a planner had their say
and the developer brought their plans. And we fought hard.

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We. There's. As I've said to the council,
this is a lose lose situation. The township
is stuck between a rock and a hard place. Every there is no open space in this town that, if it's not already owned by
the township, is not going to be built on. It's and, you know, it is a tough situation. We are not the only town that is up
faced up against this problem. At the same time,
it's the whole state of New Jersey. We're in. This. There's going to be a lot of traffic right
near those schools.

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We're going to have to come up with some. Way to mitigate all those cars.
As it is now, when school is in, you know, there's a lot
So we have clearly exceeded our time. Right. And I just want to add one thing. That's okay. Come to come to the meeting with the mayor
if you can. And let's chat. That's why we want to have this meeting. And so we can hear all of you
and all your concerns. And with more time to be, 
it it's currently scheduled for July 20th. We can, you know, if the
if the residents.

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Yeah. So should be earlier. If you want to move it earlier, we'll make
we'll make it happen earlier. So we'll, we'll be flexible with you guys. But we're that'll will be
a conversation without time constraints. So we can really have a good deep
conversation. And, counselor and council president,
if I may, you know, our, our ordinances are published and, Miss Gray,
just so you know, it says in it, you know, part of it reads where on August 21st,

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M&M, which is the developer of that,
town center that would back up against where you live,
filed a challenge to our township's fourth round
housing element and fair share plan. And whereas on September
26th, November 13th, December 4th and December 17th,
oh, sorry. Whereas on September 2nd of 2025,
this is fair share housing filed a challenge
to our fourth round housing. Fair share housing does not care
if we have tall buildings or not.

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They're doing the right thing
trying to find housing for people, which we are at a shortage of. There's no doubt. 
There’s people I talked to, you know, in the months of May,
they don't argue. Just as this gentleman said, this isn't
an argument about affordable housing, which we know is needed,
but keeping an esthetic to the town. And there are folks like the council here
who was also subject right behind her house
to a higher density. Correct. I had woods behind my house at one time,
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a whole townhouse development. Right. And where your house is here,
and you look up at like this, and. At the same time down the street from me,
I'm going to have hundreds and hundreds of apartments and I'm going
to be inundated with traffic also. Right. So it's not just so you're aware, it's
not just you, other folks here too have also experienced, again,
I'm not trying to take away from what you're trying to do. We can't we can't
we can't do from the audience, please. Thank you. Can I have 30s? I'm sorry.

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Please state your name and address. Esther Neals, 240 Highland Avenue, Piscataway. Quick question. Who are these developers? I don't mean to be ignorant, but,
when they petition the court for a particular ordinance or whatever, the council, aren't we notified
when they go to court to get this? Where these are these the state developers
or those are just independent business people that are petitioning the court to take
they own, they buy the property up first,

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excuse my ignorance on this, but,
I'm trying to get a handle on why they have so much authority
and we referring to the developers, but I'm not identifying them
as to where they have. So much cloud.
So the state is the one that set the requirements
and the number the, to the extent the fair share housing
was involved in that and, the bill and the developers, groups were part of it as a whole. The what's happening now in this litigation,
and it's still part of the same process.

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And that and that process
is actually provided for. And, and the statute, that was passed,
is that a private. By the state? Passed by the State? Yeah, passed by the state. A private developer is taking advantage
of our tough situation and basically trying
and basically sued us, because they don't care about esthetics,
they don't care about density. They just want to make more profits. All about the money, essentially.
I know that, okay. See
because what I'm seeing here is that

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you sell a
rock and a hard place, but, apparently we have no recourse
once you say tonight, if you pass everything, once it's
done, is done. So why are we meeting and trying to do. Tonight was only the first reading. It has to go for a second reading. What? The legal council. Something has to be built there. That something has to be built there. And we'll continue to work to try and see
if we can move more units elsewhere. And we're continuing to do
that. We've gotten it down. You know, it was going to be 83. We've gotten it down to 50.

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Where we are,
we understand and we're listening. I'm actually going to meet with
you guys and listen to everything, and we're going to continue
to fight to see what we can do. I but we have to continue with the process
to meet our compliance with the court. If we don't those builders,
we won't have a say at all. Right Now we have some say and if we don't,
those builders will be able to to basically sue us based on our zoning restrictions
and get rid of them essentially. Now, I kind of understand what you're sayi
but I'm just afraid that once you say

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this is the first,
you go after this first resolution, then you won't have any say so
on what they want done. It's as if they have total control. No. Not necessarily. There's still
there's still the planning board. There's still a potential developers
agreement where we can we go what. Recourse do you have for the developers
if they choose not to acknowledge
or to go along with whatever it is. They have to get approvals to build. They absolutely cannot,
you know, they cannot just

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just say,
okay, we've got our zoning ordinance. We can go ahead and build
whatever we feel like. We still have the courts will. Overrule our zoning. If if we don't comply with with rezoning and, making sure
that we get something built there. Yes. Okay. And that we meet our number
around town. So something we have exhausted
every part of town. This isn’t like: okay We can easily find a place
for those 50 units. If we could, we would have done it.

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You with,
you know, in the recourse. Right? And Esther They still have to when they go to build,
they'd still have to come before planning board. I understand what you're saying about
the planning board and about the zoning, but it appears to me that they,
the developers, are able to go straight to the courts
and overrule our zoning. This developer
who's working with the town did not. It's another developer. Different one did. One did because he wanted

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to put up high rises and
this town is fighting that. And that's
how we're coming up with a different plan, because our plan is going to be accepted
by the judge. We believe that our attorneys
talk to them on a regular basis. Here's what the town is coming up with, so that instead of the developer
winning, the town. Okay, so I think we really need
some type of recourse in case they play hardball, which they probably
will be, and financial standpoint. And that's
why we're working on agreements with them.

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So we have contractual obligations
that they have to comply with. But let me be clear on this. We have well exceeded our time. No, I'm sorry, I apologize. We have my first time doing this and
I really don't have time for this either. But, I'm just a little bit annoyed. We are too. We are too. Yeah, yeah, it is. So I'm still trying to maintain,
I'm saying what recourse is, does 
what recourse is do the count? Does the council have. We're going to have to let someone else
go at this point,

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because we're going to have a meeting with everyone
so that you can clearly speak with them. We'll talk to you, we’ll Talk to you about the that further. I'll bring some of my other attorney, one of my other attorneys that 
has also is directly leading dealing with the litigation on the court. But unfortunately. Once you give them the okay on this part. Yeah, this this is. It'll be. Very limited. Oh, no. Absolutely. This this doesn't give them carte
blanche to do whatever they want. This absolutely does not. So are they going to be able to overrule
if they went directly

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to the courts before.
Are they going to be able to overrule. This is a different right. Yeah. We have to we have to end it 
here. We can. We can chat after the meeting, after the meeting or and we can chat
when we have the full meeting. And discuss. Oh go ahead. Ma'am. Good evening. Stephanie Mackey, 91 Castle Point. So I'm not in the area
of which they're speaking of, but my concern is the root of the problem. It sounds like to me
the state is making this great decision
for this little bitty state.

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That's overpopulated. And because it's affecting all of the townships, my question is, have all the townships gotten together to say to the state
that this is ridiculous? And how are you making a decision
over our properties just by looking at a satellite
and not knowing what's going on and all of our communities. That's a great observation. And the mayor can talk to us about it.

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Before we tried beyond the court litigatio We tried many avenues,
including going to the state directly. Also,
the League of Municipalities got involved. There was 
which is basically a, conglomeration of the municipalities to represent them,
you know, it unfortunately, it there was a push by the state
to pass this legislation. And once they passed it, they enforced it. From the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court of New Jersey.

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Of New Jersey. So we weren't given an opportunity
to fight for it. Is what you're saying. We fought. We lost. Yes. All of the townships together? Yes. What Raj just, And I will say that there's unfortunately,
I think you know, and this is my personal opinion, is that, you know, there are some towns that got away somehow, and I don't know how,
but unfortunately, we weren't one of them that,
you know, escaped from the obligations.

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So, for. Instance, Woodbridge
didn't have any requirement. Perth Amboy, New Brunswick, Carteret,
I think. Yeah. So all the other towns that are left in
the county had to pick up the slack for those five towns. Yeah. And that's like 500 is excessive for one. Oh, it is, it is. And we argued that to the court
and we had And now I will tell you, even with this settlement,
the state planner is still fighting us. Oh yeah. Because they feel
that it's not acceptable. Okay. So thank you, ma'am. So they don’t want suburban 
neighborhoods to exist anymore.

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Yeah right. Yeah. That's exactly what the housing advocates
want to see happen to Piscataway Township. They don't want that. Good evening. My name is Carolyn. Tia and I live at 412 Rivercrest Drive. Now, the reason I'm speaking now is because I am smack dab
in the middle of this location that we're talking about tonight,
as well as the one that's being built where the town pool used to be. So I'm right in the middle of both,
and I'm not happy about that

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because I live on River Crest Drive,
where in the mornings for school, when school is open, a lot of traffic. I could barely get out
of my driveway. So that's a problem for me. Secondly, I'd like to know if the town has ever appealed the decision by this court. Yeah. How often can you appeal it? Once we have one of we, we can only
appeal it once and we have appeal pending. Okay.

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So but, at the end of the day, you know, our legal remedies are little. And the court has not taken action
on our appeal for It's been a year now. And there’s no way to file a complaint 
about that? No, I will tell you
appellate is so backed up they've, we have an appeal pending
on another matter. We're going to be lucky
if this gets heard in about three years. Yeah. We by the time the appeal probably actually gets
heard, will have already had to build out.

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it's where we have other pending litigation
that's in the Appellate Division. And it's been over two years nearly. And we still haven't heard anything. They haven't scheduled an oral argument. Everybody submitted
their briefs. They're just it's just sitting there. And, you know, unfortunately. Council president I do I have a recommendation to the resident
if there's a complaint about the traffic going
to Conackamack I'm smack dab between Conackamack

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You have a sitting member of
the Board of Education out in the public Talk to him afterwards A lot of the problems is they need to get
control of traffic flow There's going to be even more traffic
once that. Yeah. One of the biggest problems
we have, and safety wise right now is when the parents are dropping off
and picking the kids up. There's no control of that there. Excuse me, mayor, I’m sorry. And a lot of complaints
around town about it. And the school bus. I have another, point to make. Sorry, I heard I think the attorney

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and maybe you, Madam President, speak about other locations that 
are supposed to be developed also. Absolutely. What about the farm? That's. I've been in town since 2004. That farm has been vacant
almost as long as I've been here. You're talking about the ecological park. We're making that a park. So that's also. We bought that years ago
with open space for. Its open space. So now it's actually restricted from development
because, because of how it was purchased. But also it's highly contaminated.

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And so if we would ever try it if yeah, if residential was tried to build on it,
it would cost millions upon millions. Now, what about all the vacant
business buildings or corporation buildings
that are vacant along here? Why can't they be built into apartment
complexes? Again, The thing is, we unfortunately
can't be the builder because we don't have the budget
or our finances to be the builder, right? Developer and can do that. They can, but they won't. It let me stop you.

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The answer is no to that. And the reason why is because the courts
have been very crystal clear. This even though they're looking at vacant land,
it also has to be livable land, not in industrial areas
and that’s crystal clear. Yeah. They wanted to make sure that we're not sticking people
around a factory or etc.. To the extent that also, we don't get to decide what's built where in terms of these are private builders
that are looking for their profit margins.

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And so we don't get to tell them,
hey, listen, you should knock down your profitable
commercial building to build residential because they're going to lose money. So with the township is
stuck in between a rock and a hard place. There's
we have to rely on private entities that are for profit entities
to build out what we're required to meet on a requirement by the state,
so we don't have the power to even build it,
but we're still having to meet it.

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Or these builders can then have basically,
we don't get immunity from their their litigation to basically attack our already existing zoning restrictions. We have exceeded our time on this,
this one. We can definitely talk more. So thank you. Hi, My name is Apiah Partikey
58 Lincoln Avenue, Piscataway. I'm a resident of Piscataway
for the last 26 years and very happy with the residential neighborhood
that we are in.

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I think with this possibility
of having these 50 units now, it's going to destroy the suburban
atmosphere of the Piscataway township and all the points that have been talked
so far. Why can't we
this talk, these points to the court or to the judge or whoever,
and I'm sure they will understand. Why can't they understand? These are all the points
that everybody is talking about. These are all logical points. Why can they understand these points? How many other issues this situation. Do you have? Any other questions?

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Yes. Okay. So the next question is, how we can influence these developers or whoever is trying to put this building in this small property
by allowing all these variances to occur, and we will be setting a precedent
to allow variances to happen all the time. My second question is,
our third question is if I just want to build a small deck in my backyard,
I need to get permission. And if it is 1ft or 2ft away,
I will get knocked down.

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And how can we allow
all these major variances to build 50 units in this 0.7 acre lot where there can be 200 cars
or 150 cars? These are all my questions.
Thank you. Thank you sir. So you, for your first question, did we present all the concerns
that you have to the court? We absolutely did. Our planners fought hard for the effects
and implications that all of this development and these locations
would have on our residents. It was part of the reason
why we fought so hard with that.

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And, and the and the state planning state typically we, I think to get down to I think we are number was around 240 And And at the end of the day, the court
just came back to us and just ignored us. I mean, it was you know, I think we when we had that call mayor,
it was devastating. It was just, you know, the
the business administrator was involved

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in all of this, and, you know, it was
the there was a lot of yelling. There was. Yeah. Yeah, it wasn't a nice off process. It was there was a lot of back and forth. We did fight and I can,
I can promise you that we did fight. But at the end of the day. We were told this is what you have to do. And this is. And the court ordered us to do it. Okay. One more last question.

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Do we get any transparency in all these
processes and what's happened? Because as a resident,
we don't know anything about this. And during the litigation,
for various reasons, we don't advertise exactly
what's going on. But I think you might have seen
throughout the past six months to a year, the mayor has been very livid
about housing advocates. That's the reason why because he's been
very frustrated with the whole process.

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And what we've been forced into. That what we're basically being forced. Correct.
And, you know, the problem lies is and the hard part to understand
is that when a developer owns a piece of land, they have to be able
to do something with their land. And what they want to do with
it is make money. You know, we want a compromise and, you know, 
do what's right for our community. Of course, but the amount of housing we're being forced to do
is being forced upon us.

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And I don't think that's the part
that everybody quite understands. As a zoning board and as a planning board. And then the building board, can the board
say that, okay, the zoning allowances is for only
ten units, not 50 units, for example. But we that's the residents. Right. But we have to meet an obligation. So in order to meet. This, the fourth. Round is telling us and this started
way back in the late 70s 80s. Right. It's called the Mount Laurel agreement.

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You can Google that and it'll talk
all about affordable housing, here in the state of new Jersey,
I'm sure elsewhere but of late most recently,
the advocates of fair share housing, which is a lobbying organization, has organized to,
put pressure on Trenton to make sure that every town, city,
municipality in New Jersey, they're based here in New Jersey,
meets a certain threshold.

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And so a calculation is developed
by Trenton and whoever down there makes this calculation, as we said
before, the calculation includes pieces of land that we couldn't build on right. Parts of the township, DPW So yes, we're
that's in a part of the appeals process. But as the attorney said,
we won't meet it. So where does your voice come in? Is what I think you're asking. So we have to meet that obligation. There's no doubt about it.
I mean, we could

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as a as a board and as a council,
just change our ordinances so that we could have high rises,
just as they do in New Brunswick. And then you could develop 2500 units, because the calculation
is what, one in every six affordable by opting to make this all affordable, we avoid having to create high rises
in this town. Right. Because if it's 500 and some odd units,
it's really means that you have to build
2500 units in order to do that.

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But whereas if you keep it
just as an affordable housing complex, you reduce the amount of, homes
that you have to build. Right? That's so we so the baseline is,
is that we're fighting it. I mean, what's the phrase
you're fighting town hall? We're fighting it with Trenton. But if iwe don't agree as a council to put forward a plan,
the developer who already sued us last year
and the lawsuit isn't settled, right?

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It's still ongoing because this could
all fall apart tomorrow. Right. The developer of the the town center that I was talking to Miss
Gray about, I'm not sure. Still here, which includes the property
across the street right where hotel Cordy is tall Building as Erickson was last there. That same developer actually showed you all his residence at the YMCA. Had 3 or 2, maybe three sessions for residents to
come in and give your input.

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And guess what The developer decided two years ago. I'm going to. I hope we're not. He went like this to us. We didn't agree,
showed us this beautiful plan, a transit village for young people
maybe, who are first starting out, who want a commute. Right. Have a little area there where you could
walk, get your coffee, do your dry cleaning, grocery stop in a small
footprint grocery store all here. And for Miss Gray,
it would have been single family homes

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butting up against single family
homes, townhomes and apartments. That's the developer who, along with Fair
Share Housing, sued the town for the plan
that we put forward. And if by chance this judge decides against us, that is what will come into this town
and again, you know, just we recently had an
election talking to residents who are saying, I moved to Piscataway for it's more, you know, these are mostly Jersey

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people who came from other city places
and said, I came here for the suburbia, for the more quiet
nature of what this town give. And if you look around, right, doesn’t 
make a difference the color of your skin? Right. People
all have pride of ownership in this town. It's we are a very unique town
in this state. And maybe, perhaps this entire country, because we are an extreme
melting pot, right? And most of us get along. But this is a problem
where it doesn't make a difference

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that we all recognize
that people need a place to live. They want of affordable housing, that we talk about generation building
generational wealth, right. For people
who don't usually get that opportunity, the average person
that I spoke to complained about what you're all hear about tonight,
and it is a very difficult situation. I'm pontificating now,
and I don't mean to be, but there isn't anyone up on this council. Well, maybe some,
but most of us would not opt for this.

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This would not be
what we would want to choose. But without this remedy. And I think Miss Gray was saying
this particular law, it is not. It is every space
that is developable for residential use is Going to be part of our obligation. It is on this plan whether or not this
developer builds or not is to be seen. There's no plan in front of us. That's
where your voices will come into play. Coming to the planning board
when they are before us,

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we still do have a second reading. You have to get that meeting
moved up to a sooner date to have some input,
but I can tell you being on planning board when the residents show up, it
it makes it much easier for the planning board
to take that into consideration. And also pressure on the developer. And I'm sorry I spoke way too long. Thank you.
Thank thanks for the explanation. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Good evening. Sorry. My name is Arsha Jamil

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5225 Adam Street I want to tell the same thing. I also want to tell. I have lived in six countries. India Pakistan Turkey Saudi Arabia, Germany, Italy, Finally, I moved here to Piscataway, and that is more than 30 years now. To a place. And I'm still living there. And that says a lot. The other places,
I moved. This place, I stuck.

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You see, you're going to such a nice. This is such a nice town. Suburbia. As you said,
I can walk, take a morning walks. Quiet. There is no fear. People are nice to each other. Say hello, good mornings and all that
which I do not find anywhere else. You see. So keep that in mind. And same thing for children, in the 
morning children can walk to. There is two schools they run, They walk, they’re happy happy faces.

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Let's not destroy that. You see. This and you know, by the way. What here. When I came, you know, sir,
I learned a few things. I learned how to go to college here
which I did not know at other places, so I did my bit. Also, I was in the school system
in the township. Also in some of the commissions. We have got such nice mayor. He knows most of the people by first name,
so whenever he sees me out,

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he can call me out
and he knows all these things. That's And you people have done
such a nice job. You see, nice streets always clean and lovely. No broken places. So please keep those things in mind. Just one thing. When I was ovation, I was singing loudly. You're talking about the devil. Where I thought this land belonged to a Religious organization. How could they sell it to a developer?

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Or is it sold or not sold? Think about it, please. Thank you very much Thank you, sir. Let's go. Before I begin, Council president,
were you able to hand this out? Okay. Thank you so much. My name is Larry Cohen. I live in Fanwood, and I'm a volunteer
with the Humane World for animals. And I'm here basically to ask you
to complete some unfinished business. If any of you were on the council in 2020, you may remember that in March
you were poised

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to introduce on first
reading an ordinance to, restrict what pet stores can sell in terms of live
animals, dogs, cats and rabbits. Covid then hit the world, closed down
and this never got done. And I'm here to ask you to revisit it. And based on what I've heard tonight,
kind of give you a feel good opportunity to prevent something ugly
from coming into your town that you can. You have an opportunity to keep out. Just to review
this ordinance is very simple.

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It basically hurts no one. It welcomes pet stores that are here that want to come here in the future,
that provide goods and services. It just basically says
you cannot sell dogs and cats and rabbits. The reason being is this well-established
and well known pipeline that these stores get their animals
from these mills out in the Midwest, where there's incredible
torture, and inhumanity. And so the theory is, let's shut down
the demand

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for what these mills are producing
and hopefully affect the mills. 155 towns in New Jersey have done this
just today. Delaware became the 10th state to do this statewide. Yeah. It's not a fringe movement. I understand it's not nearly as impactful or important
as what's happening to these people here. But from my perspective, it is important. It goes to one of the things that
I think public officials are charged with,

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and that is protecting the welfare
of the communities they serve, including, preventing cruelty whenever possible. And this certainly does that. So I just like to urge you
to revisit this, to basically finish what you started. Thank you. Yeah.
The ordinance is is attached to this. As we will definitely take a look at it
and, and revisit it. Thank you so much. Thank you. I can't believe we didn't pass that Mayor. It was Covid. Yeah. All right. Thank you.

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Seeing none,
I'm going to close the public portion this evening. Thank you, everyone, for coming out. We're hear you, we are listening to you. And, we applaud you for, 
being advocates for your neighborhood. So at this point, I'm going to adjourn
this evening's meeting. Can I have a motion to adjourn? Motion. Second. Second. All those in favor say I. I thank you and have a, Good evening,
everyone, and happy 4th of July.