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We're going to start the meeting. Sorry to interrupt the flag salute. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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>> Roll call. >> Mike Richmond? >> Here. >> Rich Patterson? >> Here. >> John Pitts? Dan Adams? Craig Palmisano? Rich Tolson? >> Here. >> Johanna Perchinsky? Herb Pizagno? >> Here. >> Steve Gussaki? >> Here. >> Drew Campbell?

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>> Here. >> Sam Friedman? >> Here. >> Patty Rosenberg? >> Okay. Um I hear This meeting is being held in accordance with the Jersey [clears throat] Open Public Meetings Act. Notice has been advertised in the press and posted in

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the municipal building building and on the city's website. Applicants are advised that if your application is approved this evening, please come forward at the conclusion of your case and approach the board administrator Palma to sign a form

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outlining the process for obtaining any required building permits and or mercantile licenses. Members of the public wishing to speak during any case must wait for the chairman to open the floor for public comment. All speakers will be sworn in

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by the board solicitor and must state their name and address for the record. All right. We're going to do approval of minutes for the meeting of May 28th, 2026. Do I hear a motion? >> Motion. >> Second.

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>> All in favor? >> Aye. >> For June 18th. >> Second. >> And then approval of decisions and resolutions 24 2026 Matthew and Lauren Goldman. Oh sorry. >> [laughter]

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>> Wait a minute. Wait. >> [laughter] >> I approval minutes Wait a minute. I got meeting of June 18th, 2026. Do I hear a motion? All in favor?

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And approval of decisions and resolutions 26 - 2026 Wish Trust 27 2026 Tide Line and 28 2026 Hal and Helene Cohn.

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Do I hear All in favor? Okay. Um do I need to do this or >> Yeah, we have Okay, so we have there's two applications listed on the agenda tonight. They're both going to be postponed to our August meeting. Mr.

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Goldman represents both of them. Both applications, both cases. The first one is for the record 914 6A 915 A 914 6A 914 16A 914 18A

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500 6A 6700 building 6701 He did not open three of them. The applicant has requested that they be postponed and will be heard August 27th 6:30 p.m. >> Yes.

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>> 6:30 p.m. in this room, the applicant will not be required to re-publish or re-notice. Uh So, this is your official notice to come back on August 27th. So, if you're here for that hearing, the applicant >> Hey Leon, Leon, the mic's on. These guys

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can't hear you. Your mic's not on. >> Can you hear me now? I can talk louder. So, there's two There's There's two applications on the agenda. Nothing's going to be heard tonight. The uh applicant The applicant It's attorney in both matters requested

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an adjournment relatively late. Um the first one, 94-16A and 94-18A Monmouth Ave, which is block 328, lot 6702 and 6701. That's going to be heard August 27th,

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2026 in this room at 6:30 p.m. You're not The applicant's not required to re-publish or re-notice. So, this is your official announcement to come back on August 27th. My understanding on that one is the attorney or the uh architect,

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the licensed architect from New Jersey was unable to make it. And uh Uh the applicant's attorney was uh had a couple personal issues going on. And then the other one on the agenda, 125 North Washington Ave, which is units C and D.

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Block 326, lot lot 31. And there's the two qualifiers, C000C and C000D. Carter and Kirkpatrick were the applicants. Same thing with that one. That That's going to be heard on uh

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August 27th, 2026 at 6:30 p.m. in this room. The applicant will not be required to re-publish or re-notice. Um And on that one, the the uh There was a couple potential issues which the applicant's got to uh look at a little more.

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>> Mr. Chairman, may I be heard on that issue? Mr. Chairman, may I be heard on that Mr. Chairman, may I be heard on the notice issue with respect to that application? >> Sure. >> My name is Mr. Chris Balzano. I represent units A and B, Laura Sasso and Brian Credo, um who are opposed to the application.

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We'll leave that for next month. But with respect to not being required to re-notice, the plans I looked at on file for that were available for the public had no zoning analysis or zoning schedule or zoning chart. So, it was impossible to tell whether or not any variances were in fact required.

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Whether they be C variances or D variances, without a zoning chart without any dimensions to setbacks, um they had height on there. The The zone dimensions to setbacks with respect to decks, with respect to building, there's no analysis of landscaping. It's impossible for the public to tell

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exactly whether or not any extra extraordinarily aside from what's noticed is just site plan approval uh is is going to be required. And for those For those reasons, number one, I think applicant should be required to put a zoning schedule on file and submit

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it to the board and should be required to re-notice in light of that. >> Okay. Okay. Point points noted. The announcements made not not as the board or me making some legal determination that it's sufficient.

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We're going to get it on the record and between now and August 20th, we'll we'll I'll look into that. I'll speak to Roger, speak to the applicant. I'll take a look and we'll >> And if you ask me, the public can't Public looks at the plans, they can't tell what's going on. They can't tell whether whether the building complies with zoning or not.

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It's It's just the information is not there. They should be required to notice. Uh thank you very much. Have a nice short evening. >> Do you guys understand everything? Sometimes these things happen last minute. I you know, hopefully you >> No, it's fine. >> it >> much inconvenience to come. >> it's

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>> good. Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Sure. You said did you want to go over anything or Um >> It's recording. It's just not amplifying. Good voice.

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>> So, just an update on the master plan. We met uh the sub-committee met with uh our consultant 2 weeks ago. Uh we went over quite a few things. I thought it was a very fruitful uh meeting. One of the items that came out of the

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meeting, which this board and the prior boards are very proud of, is that most, if not all, the goals of the prior master plan have been met or in process to be met, which is unusual to have. You know, our biggest thing was to

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protect our commercial industry, our commercial businesses. And we've actually expanded our commercial businesses, you know, which is uh fantastic. So, another goal is to, you know, have a place for

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families and children to to uh have fun and enjoy before the the golf course and the the water park, there really wasn't much for kids to do. So, that that's a really positive thing for Margate. The Amherst Avenue Promenade

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and connecting with the with the Washington Avenue Quarter project, which is related to the master plan, seeing that come to fruition, I think is is fantastic for the city. But the really the one item that stuck out was the increase. We actually had an increase

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of employment in Margate. Uh for the businesses. So, I think we're on the right path for, you know, we we have to do some other changes that we discussed individually. But, I think we're well on our way to, again, your master plan completed by the

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end of this year. So, I plan on meeting with some other members and the mayor, even though this is a function of the planning board, the mayor, by default, is a member of the planning board, even though he isn't winning, but he is, in fact, a member of

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the planning board. So, we'll probably get together with him just to keep him up to date. That's pretty much it. Do you want to add anything to what we talked about? >> No, um, I think we talked about it before. It'd be good to get a list together, and

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maybe, I don't know when we'll do this, but, you know, see what your ideas are for, you know, the master plan, improving the master plan. Um, I mean, I have a couple ideas, nothing earth-shattering.

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Um, >> Oh, one thing I was tasked to do, and I didn't do it because I was away this week, is to reach out to a bunch of architects. >> All right. >> And just to see, get some ideas and feedback from them, what changes they would recommend or like to see, uh,

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whether it be in a in a selfish way, or, you know, overall, general positive way of marketing. Just to get an idea of where they're coming from. And bigger homes will not be part of that. >> Maybe flatter homes. >> Well, yeah, I one of the architects on

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record is, uh, >> [clears throat] >> he reached out to me last night, and I know he's reached out to Chairman Richmond, uh, to encourage, possibly encourage the bringing back flat roofs. I think we need, if we do that, we need some controls on that. We don't want any

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three-story box. >> Right. >> Um, Absolutely. >> But we've allowed them in other towns I've worked in and the controls we have in place you know, it it steps in as you go higher, so it's not

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superstructure. >> I think I would. >> I think a long porch to have your flat roof to reduce the height. >> Yes, it would be a height reduction. >> Yeah, which makes sense. >> But but just throwing out some ideas that we have discussed some feedback. So, if anybody has any

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ideas individually don't write it to send it to everybody, just send it to all of Leo and myself. And I'll make sure that the subcommittee gets it. >> Was there Was there any discussion about the about five stories about being able to

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do >> Yeah. Yes. >> Yeah, we did have that discussion. And again, keep in mind the master plan is not an ordinance. It makes It's a game plan. Um the ordinance is the actual playbook.

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So, we're not there yet. But yes, that's that's being discussed and and as I see more and more abuses, I think that's way to go. That's my opinion. >> I I have a question and and it's not necessarily regarding the master plan, but maybe

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>> Just turn on your mics. They're not on, Chris. >> Maybe it could be tied into the master plan is uh fencing. When you look at fencing for the city market ordinance for fencing for the city market the maximum height is 5 ft, correct? >> Yes. >> Can't have a front fence, which I

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understand and I agree with wholeheartedly. But if a pool is built or a hot tub is built, you can have a 6-ft fence. Right? One, 5-ft fences are more of a custom than a normal purchase, so so speak.

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And you know, just looking at it from a safety aspect with grandchildren now, a 4-ft fence versus a 6-ft fence on a property is safer for the children, pets animals everything. And my question is, what would it take

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to change that? Not for front, obviously we're not changing anything with front yard, but to allow a 6-ft fence around the property. >> Without a pool? >> Without a pool. >> Oh. >> Right now you allow 5-ft fence, correct? >> Yeah.

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>> And we're talking about a foot difference, and a 5-ft fence, if you look at it to purchase, is more of a custom-oriented fence. >> What do you mean custom? >> Well, it's not it's not I I mean, you don't see them as normal to just go out and buy the 5-ft fence versus 4-ft 6-ft

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you see everywhere. And I just look at it as, you know, security height, you know, I don't know, I just >> Well, you see the city code only requires a 4-ft fence around >> What's that you said? >> UCC only requires a 4-ft height around

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>> But we require a 6-ft height, correct? >> What? >> We require six. >> Correct. For zoning, it's a 6-ft. >> What I'm saying is >> Five or six? >> The difference between 5 and 6-ft, is there really that big a difference to allow it all the time versus just

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for pool or hot tub? >> I don't know. I I think you're also To me, the problem with the 6-ft fence, I understand the privacy part, but you're you're you're reducing air and open space. >> Right. >> Your your whole lawn your whole yard being encapsulated by

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a 6-ft wall now. That's been >> There's a lot of properties in town that have 6-ft fences that don't have a pool or hot tub. >> Not saying that they're legal. Maybe they weren't. Maybe they put them in, you know, under And what does that mean? >> No, I'm just asking. Like, what I'm

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asking, you know, personally, if I had a preference, I I'd prefer a 6-ft fence for animals and children. I've actually seen some 10-ft fences put in. Not so not I mean, I'm just saying we're

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talking about a foot difference between what's allowed now. >> That's really not a master plan element. >> I I didn't say it was. I just I was bringing it up to the board as a question of I and I said that right from the start, I don't believe this is a master plan issue, but it's a question I had regarding fencing.

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>> And yet the I do agree that a 6-ft fence does reduce light, air, and open space, but I know what you're talking about for security but you can also get wire on top of the 5-ft fence.

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But [laughter] uh The only The only thing I don't know, maybe you know how sometimes you have a 5-ft fence and the top is it's 6-ft, but it's open. >> Yeah. >> I mean, that that might be something that we could maybe >> is the

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allowance in the ordinance so you can have a 5-ft fence with a 10-in lattice on top. >> Oh, wow. I didn't even know that. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> I don't really advertise that cuz I got to be >> I've seen that. I've seen that in town. I [clears throat] have seen that in town, too, cuz you see the open >> Yeah. >> top portion.

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Uh but I I'm just curious to how that would play out or what what would it take and it would be an ordinance change correct? >> Yes. >> Mhm. And where would that come from? Would it come from the board? Is it a recommendation? Would that be more of a >> It's a governing body and it goes to consistency review by the planning

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board. If it is consistent or inconsistent with the master plan, then it goes to the uh to the governing body. The governing body approves all ordinance revisions. >> Okay. Well, yeah, I understand that part. But I just didn't know if

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and it was curiosity thing to me, you know, with we allow 5-ft and I just found out that we allow 5-ft with a 10-ft lattice or 10-in lattice on top of that, so you're just under 6-ft. >> What about a defense? Do we make an exception if the fence is 6-ft, but it's

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all open, you know, open pickets? >> No. No. >> Okay. >> Right. Cuz sometimes when people come in for a variance for a fence, we recommend as a condition of approval that it's open. >> Right. But I And the other question is

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you know, regarding that, would there be potentially less variance issues if we allowed it versus people asking for it in a variance or something of that nature? >> I >> I don't think there's been too many variances on >> Yeah. >> I don't know. I mean, that I don't know. I I I'm just passing, you know.

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>> Usually when you get a lot of variance requests for something, that's when you re-look >> Oh. >> Right. >> Okay. >> I don't think there's been any requests for >> I think the only time we've had variance requests is if a property adjoins a commercial property, like a parking lot

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or a a business. Like we just had that one by the sands. You know, then then that kind of makes sense. You know what I mean? >> I think we should look at that where a commercial business backs up to a residential that to have a higher allowance. >> Right.

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>> But yeah, but do we want to see >> [laughter] >> 15 residences with different style fences or one commercial building with consistent fence? That's That's what you got to be careful of. >> I I'm just asking in a curiosity

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standpoint. >> Yeah. We just subject I don't think the defense was there. It was existing. I didn't put that in. >> We we had a variance once a long time ago for a fence height. Remember the dogs on Quincy Avenue? >> Yes.

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>> These dogs could jump like an 8-ft fence, and they literally could jump and I think we gave them the variance for that. It was on the the I'm not going to say the girl's name, but

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Was that by June 10th? >> Your husband's a lawyer. >> Was that by June 10th? >> Yes. Yeah. Yeah. >> Anyway, anybody anything else? Off the top of your head? >> No. >> Okay. All right.

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We good? >> Make a motion to adjourn. >> Make a motion to adjourn. Thanks, Rich. All in favor? >> Aye. Aye. Aye.