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[music] All right. Good evening everyone and welcome to the August 11th meeting of the Lakeville Conservation Commission. We're being recorded tonight by Lake Cam. I'd like to ask if anybody else is recording tonight. Seeing none, we'll

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start like we always do by introducing ourselves. >> I'm Mark Minton. I'm the uh conservation agent. >> John Leblanc, >> Michelle Bashard, Nancy Yates, >> Joseph Chamberlain, >> Mark Knox, >> William Faros, >> Matthew Ferrara.

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>> All right. First on the agenda tonight is a request for determination for Vista pruning for three quick shaman circle. >> So if you want >> Yeah. Please come up the microphone.

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Introduce yourself. Okay. >> No, that's okay. >> Uh, good evening everybody. So, uh, plan right now is to clear out some of the, um, overgrowth right now in my backyard.

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Uh, if you're familiar with the property, it also has an irrigation pond from when the primary dog back in the day. uh is right my property owns about 95% of the irrigation

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um which is another access way to get to the cedar pond on the other side of the pond. Right now the overgrowth is just it's taken off more than it has in the past. Um I have no more access around the pond right now. Uh oriental build

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suite is taking over the vines choking out trees. I have dead trees on the property. It's encroaching on my neighbor's property uh which is five cook and I know they're uh having work done here soon. Uh and honestly uh the

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invasive species right now seem to be the black locust which are taking over. I have a garden in the backyard right now. Um and the roots have infiltrated every single one of my raised beds. I have no control over the stuff. looking to eradicate as much of the invasive

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stuff and obviously tag the uh the native species. Got black cherry, uh cedar, your pines, uh birch, all the mature stuff. No plans on getting rid of it. It's really just to clean it up, get rid

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of the overgrowth so I can actually access my pond and it doesn't encroach on my neighbor's property. Um, I just have to say because I'm just seeing it right now because I didn't really look at this, but um, we'll check it tonight so it doesn't look

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incomplete, but this incomplete because you never checked what you want from us on the on the determinations you're supposed there are several things to check. So um one is um if it's subject to under what

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we were going to give what we will give you is a negative -3 determination but for the record on a request for ter termination you asking us even though you wrote it out verbally there's just check marks. So um does everybody have

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it in front of them? >> Y >> page three of three. So, so let's see >> this whole section here. >> Mhm. >> And then under number letter C, um, number one, determinations. So, this is really you telling us exactly what you're asking

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us. And it can be multiple or it can be just one. >> Okay. Yeah. This, like I said, I was not familiar with any of this. I just wanted to make sure that, >> right, I just want to do it for the record. We'll pick one to to >> So, yeah. So we can put a whether the area on the

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plan uh referenced above is an area subject to jurisdictions of the wetland protection act and yes it is. So we'll just check that one which will >> you're under 3a single house lot recorded before 8196. >> Is that it? It would be after

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>> after 81. Okay. So you would check. So you would read through these and just choose which is >> okay which is >> perfect and then the determinations >> and your a >> okay

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>> it's just a technicality >> and you can go ahead and in case anybody asks initial that one where you just checked. >> Sure. >> And then this one so that we can scan this in and this will be the new official versus the one that you signed and submitted. Okay.

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>> Um, so we'll take that. >> Thank you. >> That's it. All right. >> Well, no, Mark is going to Mark, we have the vote. >> Well, it it's it's it's um Sean's saying

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it's adjacent to five. Um, we've looked that burm. If you go out there, the pictures I tried to include in here, it doesn't really do justice to to how um dense that understory is. It's a lot of

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invasives are in there. The Japanese bittersweet, I think that's the vine. Bunch of trees. You know, >> that's the vine that's taking over the whole town. >> There's a couple dead trees. Couple dead trees in there. There's um yeah, there's four or five invasives. You can see this

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rosa multa flora that you can't get through it. It's a thicket. Um >> autumn olive. >> Yeah, there's a lot of stuff in there that and it it essentially um when I went out and Sean we walked down that

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burm. I mean it it runs these pictures just keep going on down that burm. So I guess um one of the things that we talked about u Sean and I was you know [snorts] my question was so you know when you're when the understory if

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you're cutting it out what are you going to do with it you know you have a arborist or somebody's coming out >> so it won't be like any wood chips going into the pond or anything it would all be self-controlled >> like where would all those invasives go? Well, they would take they would take

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out the invasion. The >> company that's doing it is going to take it. You're not doing this yourself. You're hiring somebody to jail. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, negative3 with >> So, if I may, Madam Chair, um >> not to cause concern because this has

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happened at prior meetings. An approval actually is what's called a negative three determination. So, if you hear negative, >> don't. >> It's okay. >> It's okay. Yeah. >> Yeah. [laughter] We have people go off their chairs. >> Yeah. It comes with an order of conditions which is just you know certain guardrails left and right that

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you stick by. A positive is when there's actually you know um >> that's an issue right? >> But we've had a lot of people say I thought it was approved. What's a negative? So now we just like to forewarn a little bit.

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>> Could I ask a question? >> Of course. um through you >> when you have the company come in to remove >> everything you want removed >> is part of what you've asked them to do is to grub the soil at all to get some of the roots out. >> Yes. >> Yeah.

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>> So is there any kind of a plan for siltation barrier? >> Is it beyond the burm? >> It would be at the top of the broom. >> It would be. Okay. >> Yeah. So that's something I think that we would like to see is wherever the soil's disturbed that could flow down

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gradient to the wetland. We'd like to see you get just go to the lumber yard, get a roll of the siltation barrier with the stakes on it and set that up at the limit of your work. So >> and I also understand too I've done projects like that myself. You may need to go in and have them do

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the above ground removal. Okay. >> Then set up the fil silt fence at the limit of your work for them to then do any of the soil work to sip through to get any of the roots out. >> Got uh so I think that should show on your plan and that would be a condition

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of our approval. >> Okay. >> And if you have any questions about that call to office and Mark can can kind of do a walk through with you and show you or answer any questions. And this is all man manual if you will

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including machines to get stuff out. No chemicals involved. >> No, no, no, no chemicals. I don't even spray back [snorts] there like mosquito control or anything like that. I stay away from that. >> All right. So, I would look for a motion for negative3 determination with two

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conditions. ones that Mark's called when you're ready to put the siltation barrier up that you call Mark come and check it and that the company doing the work take all that material away. >> Okay. >> So moved. >> Second. >> All in favor?

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>> I. >> All right. You're good to go. Sorry to make it so complicated. >> So yeah. Um give the office a call. >> I didn't notice that. >> Thank you.

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Good night. Okay, next up, 151 Shore Road. >> Motion to open the hearing. >> I hear a second. >> All in favor? >> I >> All righty. According

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to the provisions of match general laws, chapter 131, section 40 of the well and protection act, there will be a hearing on a notice of intent submitted by Daniel Craig for proposed raising of an existing dwelling in the construction of a dwelling with a deck within 100 ft of

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Asaws pond and flood zone AE-57. The location of the project is 151 Staples Shore Road, Lakeville, Map 64, block 3, lot 2, and block 2, lot 13. The public hearing will be

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held on Tuesday, August 11th, at 6:30 p.m. at the Lakeville Police Station, 323 Beggy Street, Lakeville. >> Good evening, everyone. Will Connelly, Zenith Consulting Engineers. Uh, so the site is bordered to the south

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by As Wampsa Pond. Um, it's entirely in flood zone AE57. There's an existing two-bedroom uh, single family house on site which was destroyed by a fire. Um, so we're proposing to construct a new um,

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two-bedroom single family dwelling. It's essentially in the same footprint. Um, [clears throat] I believe it's like four or 5 ft further away from the pond. Um the existing septic is going to remain.

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Um there's no proposed grading um on the site. Um we're proposing uh silt sock as well as hay bail and silt fence for erosion control. Um and we've provided a area for a

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dewatering basin as well uh which is to be used if necessary. Um I believe that's about it. If there's any questions, I'd be happy to try to answer them. >> Mark, you want me to do this or you want to do this one?

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>> Sure. Um, >> well, you can um [clears throat] chime in as well. Yeah. >> Yeah. I guess we just had a couple of problems with um under construction notes number five and the note

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where the um the proposed deck is. This is a plan of record that's going to go to Plymouth to get recorded on the D. And it looks like it's kind of left like

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it's for demonstration purposes only. Final location to be provided by the architect. >> So, sorry. >> No, that's okay. [clears throat] >> Um, so those were the best locations of the footing that the architect provided. We just put that on our plan kind of

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more as like a um cover yourself note just so someone doesn't look at this and think that this is actually the the architectural plan like we're not providing the location of the footings ourselves the architect is but

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so so when they're I think the the question or the comment is so when they're finalized so so it's almost like still at least that note still draft plan, right? So, I don't I don't know when the architect is going to finalize

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that. I don't know if it's because they've got to clear the house back take it down. I I'm not sure, but it's it's almost like proposed. So, the final plan that would be filed with the registry of deeds should be the final plan is the

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comment. >> Yeah. >> We give you an order of conditions. You're gonna record that and on that recording it has the date of that final plan which is this plan and that just is not >> final. >> Yeah. >> Okay.

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>> Yeah, we could have something for the architect, but we're going to agree that that's where those footings are going to go if we're going to >> approve >> uh approve this. >> So, could we agree to a a line?

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So, typically when you'd frame a deck, there would be a line to carry a beam. Um, and so I guess >> but he's saying that the architect already said that this is where it's going. >> This is the location that they provided us with. >> So, you basically just take the note

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out. Okay. >> So, I guess my suggestion is for a condition of >> based on the location on the plan >> whether there were it shows four in that line plus one back where the stairs are. >> Y [clears throat]

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>> I it wouldn't bother me if there were six if that was needed structurally but no closer to the water. >> Is that something that you think that the design could agree to and we could say good? would I I would think an order of conditions would [clears throat] say

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any change and they need to come back to us. >> Yeah, >> we're this is what we're agreeing to. When you have a plan of record that's being recorded, this is what we're agreeing to. If there's any change, you need to come back. >> I mean, if you just would put one in line, I wouldn't I don't think that we'd

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go crazy if it came back on as bill for whatever. >> No, no. So, I guess I'm agreeing with you that the final plan we do like the final plan to be accurate, >> right? But to approve the project, could we condition it to request the

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final plan for the deed filing when they're >> located be on the order of conditions? When we give him order of conditions, he can't start until he files it at the registry of deeds. >> I don't know why we can't just >> take that out, >> right? That's he's agreeing to it. Okay. >> He's just going to take that

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>> just remove the note and just >> Yeah, this is >> right. and give us another plan that I can put and >> we can say we can approve it say you know pending an updated plan without this note on it. >> Yep. >> Yeah, we can do that. >> Yeah. And then there's always some minor modification that comes in when you get that as built anyway if it's 2 feet to

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the left or right. That's not going to change anything at the end of the day. >> And I did well >> right and not any closer to the water. But and I did talk to Niles about number five and that will be in the order of conditions too that we'd like to >> um

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>> know about the flood vents >> the foundation. >> It's already on the note. I would just call it out again in order of conditions. So because >> they don't go look at that plane there about the blood fence. >> Yep. >> Cuz that's important because

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of the change from 50. You got to raise it up, right? because it's you got to go raise it up to 59. >> Yeah. In order to get the >> I think that's what Niles said. I talked to Niles on the phone. >> Yeah. In order to get the required separation for the first floor.

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>> Yep. >> Okay. That's my only problem. Anybody have anything else? So motion to close the hearing and issue an order of conditions. >> Can I ask one question? Sorry. >> Yeah. Anybody else?

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>> Yeah. Sorry. I just So So when do you have an idea when this work is going to start? Trying to >> I I don't know when it would start. Um, I imagine they probably want to get started on it right away since the house is currently

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>> dilapidated, but um, >> and when was the fire? Do you know it's December or No, >> I don't know. >> All right. >> That sounds about right, though. >> All right. Sorry. >> All right. I'll start again.

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Uh, I'm looking for um motion to close a hearing, issue an order of conditions pending receipt of a plan uh removing the architectural note. Is that >> Mhm. >> regarding footing location

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>> regarding Say it again. You got >> the footing location. The deck footing locations is what you're >> Yep. >> specifically requesting. >> Yeah. >> That's all I'm I'm just telling you about because I got them on. >> Okay.

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>> Okay. So move >> and all of our standard conditions. >> And all of our standard conditions. So we have a so move and a second. >> Yeah. >> Yep. >> All in favor? >> I >> I take care of it. >> Thank you all. >> Good luck.

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>> We can talk back and forth about how exactly do that taking the note off. So >> alleviates it. >> Yeah. >> You really can't answer. >> Okay. What is next?

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>> 10 [clears throat] letter. Good luck finding your phone. >> All right. >> I don't even want a phone anymore. I hate it. I never wanted to get one, but you know, the kids want me to be sick. But uh so what do [clears throat] we got to do now? You know,

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>> so will they the commission approved uh pending a slight revision. >> Okay. >> They'll send the office will send an order of conditions to Zena and they'll reach out to you. >> Okay, great.

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know when I ever find my phone again. >> Okay, next up 10. >> 10 edge water drive. >> Thank you. >> So, this is a tree removal. Um did did you do we need to read it?

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>> Just an RDA. So, uh I don't have that one in front of me, but um they there's you can see from the uh the the map it's um all the trees are right on the water. Um

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there's seven trees they want to bring down. They're going to leave one up. I think it's seven. Six. >> They got seven. >> Seven. So, they got two diseased beach trees. You can see in the pictures. >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. just and uh the first one's right on the edge of their neighbor's

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property, but it's on their property. And then you've got a couple other trees in there, couple maples, a beach tree is in there, and an looks like an oak, a pin oak, but they all have like snapped

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off tops. I guess the um climber, Peyton climber, and I think it's Bill. >> Yes. Um, when I went down recently, they said, you know, they had a limb come down during, I guess, July 4th. So, anyhow, they have a safety concern. But if you

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look at the trees, the pictures, it's kind of hard to to to see, but got the diseased trees and you got a couple trees that are >> Are they leaving the stumps? >> Yeah, they're leaving the stumps. And I told them you have to. They have a really They're leaving Well, the one

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tree they're leaving is a really nice big old oak tree, right? >> There's someone coming in to do this. >> Yes. >> Is there anybody here? >> They're they're one >> there. They they asked um I I um there they had a conflict. They're up in

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Vermont. There was um >> Okay, cuz this one has the same problem. They're not asking us what to do. We can just pick one so that it's not an incomplete application. I think that we um >> not a complete application. It is incomplete. >> Yes, it is. [laughter]

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Thank you. Um [snorts] >> chose. >> I usually always check this. I just didn't on this one, but we really need to make sure that people >> Yeah, they dropped it off. I wasn't I wasn't in the office at the time, but I should I should be reviewing those. So, that's

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>> usually Lori picks it up. >> Well, it's on me. I should have seen >> A is just the easiest one to check and maybe before they pick up their determination they can put their initials they can complete their application. >> Um can I ask one question to Mark? Did

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they say they were using professional company to remove the trees? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So I'm good with it. I think we just add a couple conditions just to make sure that >> you know debris doesn't go in the pond >> and they're removing the trees that they >> and that clearly we state within the conditions that there's no stump removal

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without additional approval. >> I I just think you know it if if it's silent we didn't speak to it. >> We should >> we always actually we always do say that. >> Yeah. >> But where they're not present it should probably be in writing on the approval.

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>> No. >> So I'm going to make a note on this one. I selected the determination and I'm going to make a note for Lori >> and sign it that they need to initial that selection of determination of uh C1A

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which is on page three of three. [snorts] We have new customers coming in here. And Mark, we'll give these to you so they can go back and be part of the official. >> Okay. >> File after. [clears throat] >> Thank you. >> How close to the pond?

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>> Um, >> right. On >> right there. >> Yeah. >> I think I don't think we've ever done one where we didn't put in a negative three. No stump removal. Not even let us know. That's our determination. No stump removal period.

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>> Yep. >> Okay. Yeah. I mean, it's right on the waterline, >> right? >> I And I think putting it in writing, you know, is definitely um is is good. I I mean, I talked to him about it and I mean, they get it. They He's like,

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"Oh, yeah. No, yeah, no." So, but we'll put it in writing. >> All right. So, I'll look for a motion for a positive three determination where the applicant will um >> a negative what did I say? Positive three. That's not good. Negative3

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determination with a condition of no stump removal >> and no debris into the pond >> and no debris in the pond. Okay. >> Uh so moved. >> Second with the discussion point. Just can we just back up for a minute? How

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about it's almost impossible. So, usually we say any debris in pond needs to be removed immediately. How's that? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> So, I'll re So, move that. >> I will rescend it.

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>> Oh, now we're just playing board games. Well, we did officially want to >> approve the proper motion with that wording. So, >> exactly. >> Okay. Got a motion and a second. All in favor? I >> I try to do this cuz I copy this and give it to Lori, too, so she knows

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>> and I need need to come. >> Even if it's a mess, I just copy the page so she gets it. >> Okay. Okay. Ready? Ready. Set. So I make a motion to continue the hearing for

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15,16 and 17 shore a to the September 8th meeting. >> That's not technically a hearing, right? That wasn't a public hearing. They didn't apply with an uh NOI yet. >> We're doing it to 8:25. I'm sorry. I don't know where.

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>> Oh, okay. >> Okay. >> Correction. I move to continue the discussion and possible vote. >> Yes. of 15,6 and 17 short of the next hearing which is Tuesday,

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August 25th here at the police station at 6:30 p.m. >> All in favor? >> I >> All right. Good. >> Okay. Next up, 30 Howland Road, which is a anrad.

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[clears throat] Knock that over. on the ground. Nice. Hi, >> good evening. Um, good evening everyone. I'm Tim Tubig. I'm the wetland soil scientist with Decree Engineering. Um, we submitted the ANRAD for 30 Holland Road.

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Um, the site is located south of Holland Road and directly west of the MBTA New Bedford line. Um and the ANRAD is specifically for just 151 acres of the the entire site is about 565. So the

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ANRAD um is for that section that was noted on the plan. Um that eastern portion um that's the only part that's being uh taken a look at for the ANRAD. Um the wetlands were originally delineated um by Tunis Environmental um and then they're

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they're no longer involved with the project. Um the plan was sent out. Um we had we received a peerreview comments. Um there were a total of 13 wetlands that were identified um in delineated. Um 10 of

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them were from the original Tunis delineation. Um and then from the peer review, there were additional three um there were two comments in the peer review comments that just requested a a second set of eyes on some areas that

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were potential wetlands. And so I did go out there um last month, found those areas um flagged those. And so all of those changes were put onto the revised site plans um that you all have. Um out of the total 13 wetlands that are on the site, four of them are PVWs. um they

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have some intermittent streams within them that end up draining towards the east um under the MBTA line um and then going off site. Um all of the remaining wetlands uh had hydrocad analysis um and they were all verified to not be ILSF.

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Um none of them met any of the requirements um to meet ILSF. >> Okay. I just have one question. >> Yes. >> After Steve, we all have a letter in front of us. I hope from Steve Meal that signed off on everything. Correct.

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>> Correct. >> And after the fact, he did ask for that one change. >> All I want to know is the one change on page two where you put this little inred review area 151.4 acres. Is that the only change on the revised plan?

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>> Yes. >> That's it. Correct. >> That's my only question. So we can get rid of this so we don't get confused. >> Yep. for the plan of record is this one with the revision and that's it.

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>> Yeah. And it on that on the cover sheet it should say number like it's very tiny but number two um 872026 response to comments. >> So it would be that title. >> Yeah. No, I know you need magazine cover. >> It's all right. No, I I just picked I saw it myself cuz I was

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going page by page. That's the only thing I could find. So, >> anybody >> any questions? It's been a while coming. It's gone back and forth and I think we're good to go. >> It's It's been on my calendar for a long time. [laughter] >> Will was Will was asking if Jamie needed

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to come to speak to it and I'm just like I don't think so because as far as I can see the only he he signed off on everything and the only thing is that one little change. So, um I think we're good to go. So, we need a motion to close the

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hearing and uh issue an ORAD. So, moved. >> Second. >> Any discussion? >> No. >> All in favor? >> I thank you. Thank you. >> Thank you.

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You too. See this? Save that one. All right. Wow. That's one off that's been continued for a really long time, right? >> All right, Michelle. >> Motion to continue

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um the NOI hearing for off Montgomery and Green Lot Circle, which was to be held and is going to be held on August 25th here at the Lakeville Police Station at 6:30 p.m. >> Second.

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>> So, can I add >> discussion? So, uh Kevin Davis, who is the I guess he's the engineer or he's the um he was here uh last time um on the end has been

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working with uh core of engineers to try to get this review done and I think we there was some update last time that um um Brad Holmes had gone out had um

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uh uh to to to assess or provide the information to the core of engineers. So, um Kevin Davis shared an email. Uh I don't know if everyone saw it. I don't know if Lori forwarded it, but it it sounds like they're still well, it

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sounds like they're making some progress. I guess Kevin was saying that someone at the core had had gone from one person's desk to someone else, but the last email I saw in the last week, they're sounds like they're they're

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trying to make some progress and come up with a determination as to whether it's jurisdictional, these the BG or non-jurisdictional. So, there's some email traffic back and forth is what I'm trying to say. Um, so >> which that's progress. Good. Yeah. Yeah.

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He you know it was a email chain with core of engineer staff in in the chain. So Kevin shared that with us if anybody's interested. If you hadn't seen it I can forward you the email. It's not up real. >> Yeah that would be good. >> Okay.

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>> I just checked. I don't have >> Thank you. >> Okay. Next up Oh, >> we had a motion and a second. >> That was just open discussion. Okay. Um, all in favor I >> I for the continuence. All right. Next

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up, Montgomery Street. >> No, we just did that. Zero >> Street. I must be tired tonight. >> Long day. >> CJ Malik, DSM Property Group. I was actually going to get up here and ask if

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we can move to the end of the agenda cuz Chris, our consultant's running a little bit late, but um he's he's about 25 minutes. He was stuck in traffic on 495. So >> there's a actually 495. He was sitting there for a while. So

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>> yeah, it was it was closed, >> right? >> Yeah. Franklin. >> Here's my question. Is this the one that was still waiting for Deb Keller? >> Yes. >> All right. I think we called today. >> You did. Did you spoke to Chris? I >> I didn't, but somebody did. I think I asked Lori to call or did you call

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>> to say that um because our consultant hasn't replied that we wanted to continue it, but you insisted on coming. >> Yeah, he really he really wanted to give you guys an update. Um but unfortunately he's he's a little jammed up. So, >> right, because this is kind of like the end of it. All we need is one more

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report from our peer reviewer who would like to be here before we close this. So, it was kind of I just need to say I think it's unnecessary, but >> that's just my opinion that

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>> the reviewer hasn't finished the review and he wants to be here. >> Can we go through the rest of our agenda if he makes it by then? >> Absolutely. I make a motion. >> Appreciate that. >> Make a motion to move Zero Mix to the um end of our agenda for tonight uh to

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allow them a little bit of extra time. Second. >> All in favor? >> I Thank you, M. >> And we will talk slowly. [laughter] >> I'm just kidding. I was going to say well, like I say, I I what bothers me is

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that every time you come to a meeting is the client is part of their bill. And if you unnecessarily come to meetings, then the client is paying for that. So that that's my problem with it. And I just

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needed to put that out there. Sorry. Well, I'm not sorry. It just comes out sorry sometime, but I needed to do that. Okay. >> Okay. Motion motion to continue 150 Bedford Street. >> No, that's not on the

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>> Oh, it was crossed off >> cuz it's already been continued to >> to the 22nd of September. >> All right. So, next up, 160 Bedford Street. So, I'm putting this on John today. [laughter]

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It's going to give you the evil staff. >> We visited D today about 160 B Street. >> Yeah. Um I mean my They're going to review it. We're going

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to have a [snorts] site meeting with um we met with with a wetlands group. We're going to have a site review with other agencies of D that may have an interest and see where it goes from there. >> Essentially,

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>> what what notches are going into the air off the stuff that's coming out of the truck? What's going into the ground that's coming out of some of the trucks? >> Um, is the are the folks at that address aware of this meeting and andor any subsequent

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meetings? They'll they are going to be notified because they're going to be invited to attend >> on the on their property, >> right? But we didn't invite them with us. No, >> it was just us looking for help from D. >> Yeah. And D did say that they would

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notify the owner or whoever they're representing. >> Yeah. >> So, >> good. Okay. >> Something cuz it just seems to be getting worse. >> Yeah. >> By the day. >> Okay. Um, so is that something we'll

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just move to another agenda just cuz it's not a public hearing. It's just >> Well, we'll put it back on after we've gone for discussion or whatever, >> but no votes required for that to just continue on the agenda. >> Yep. And you know, everybody will as soon as we get a date, everybody will be

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invited. >> So I I did see I have one set of minutes in my packet. I don't see >> Oh, I had second set. >> I see two on there. >> 12. I only had the 428. >> Didn't we approve 428 lastman?

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>> It wasn't there was a change. >> I know the 14th was the last meeting we approved. >> Okay. Yeah. I don't think so. So we I don't Does anybody have 512? >> Nope. >> No. No, I don't either. So we'll just approve the 428 if it's all right with

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Joe. >> Absolutely. Make a motion that we accept the condition of the minutes of the meeting of the Lakewood Conservation Commission dated 42826 as presented to us. >> Second.

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>> All in favor? >> I. >> All right. Before we get to um reorganization of the board, I'd like to bring something up under um new business. Mark um had to do a an enforcement order for

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I think everybody has a picture of 130 what is it? >> Hemlock 13 >> 133 Hemlock row road mark all yours. >> So um and and John actually went out as well.

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So this was yesterday morning. Um based on um some information we got um that um that there was some um people were out with um excavators, bobcats,

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um moving a bunch of soil uh right right by the pond. So um John actually luckily came into the office just as we sent John out, but Ah, >> what what a stroke of luck. >> It was great.

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>> But um so uh and he can comment. I guess you spoke with uh people that were >> Yeah, I I drove down there. I walked down with the gentleman who he said his daughter owns the house now. Um and they were they weren't actively working at

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that point, but it was clear they'd been doing they're putting it looks like a retaining wall. did some excavation like right next to the pond. There's no siltation, no nothing. I told him essentially just you need to stop and uh

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we're going to issue a a stop work order and that you need to get an engineer and file a notice of intent with the order the commission >> was part of that discussion to put up some silt fence in a in a stop. don't do

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anything. >> That that's in the enforcement order that we're you all will hopefully sign tonight that um one of >> to to file a after the fact NOI uh come to the uh commission but also to install

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siltation control immediately. Um and I I I went down after John. Um I guess um folks they were still there. I I guess the the the dad um so I I talked

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to him um and basically said all all that, you know, no more work. Um uh gave him gave him the a cease stop work little placard wasn't homemade. So,

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but um and and the list of engineers and um yeah, it was fine. I I um but you can see from the pictures I included like the elevation. I mean, it

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drops off it. Well, I don't know if that what what the slope is 20%. >> I think it used to be pretty steep. >> Used to be more than it is now. Yes. So, you you can really see the pictures again don't really don't always do it justice, but they've kind of leveled

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that bottom part out already. So, they've gotten uh a good portion of whatever it is they they were intending to do. You can see there's gravel u stock piled up above. You can see a pile of the soil. So, um

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>> do they have any heavy equipment they're storing on site that they were using? >> No, there wasn't. So, at least there's nothing sitting leaking next to the pond. Okay. >> So, >> what was their intent?

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>> Well, I think they they wanted a a patio area near the water, near the dock, leveled out, and probably a retainer wall this side of it to hold back the bank. So, and and so this big pile of gravel

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is what they were supposeding to be bringing down front. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Obviously, >> they put some kind of something cementish in. >> So, are we going to sign that tonight?

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>> Yep. >> All right. >> Yeah, we can pass it around. Yes, I was that rule sign. >> We don't have to do it right the second because it looks like um >> well, we ran out of agenda items. >> Yeah, it looks like our uh people have shown up. So,

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>> how's 495 >> parking lot? >> So, then I would motion we hear zero now instead of waiting till the very end of the meeting. Thank you. >> All in favor? I >> Thank you folks. I apologize I'm late.

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What were the circumstances? >> I think a nasty crash on 495 south. Oh, >> took me 2 hours to get here. >> From >> from North, which is, you know, an hour at work.

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>> Where else was the accident? >> Uh, in Franklin, I think by like 140. >> That's far enough. That's not going to bother me. entirely, you know, as I was getting within about a mile of where I think it was, it all freed up. So, I did it just perfectly.

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>> Well, having spent 2 hours and 20 minutes on 495 this morning, I feel [laughter] >> good evening, folks. For the record, my name is Chris Prderoli, wetland scientist with God Consulting. Um, we wanted to stop by tonight and just kind of give you an update since it's been a little while since we've

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been here on where we're at with this project. So, just as a little bit of a refresher, this is a project on two parcels, one in Taton. We're with the Tata Commission as well for that work. Uh, by the time we get into Lakeville, we've got access

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drives and the the bulk of the project is two warehouse buildings. Um in Lakeville we have a wetland crossing down here crosses two intermittent streams. Otherwise the rest of the work is all just buffer zone work. Um

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big picture on the project you know kind of outside of the commission. Uh we filed our ENF with the MEPA office and they granted us our MEPA certificate. So that says basically we've complied with MEPA to their satisfaction. So that's

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taken care of. Uh we've been with the Taton Commission as well and Deb Keller from Merill has been doing a review in both towns. So they're, you know, uh aligned, not disjointed there. We also

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recently filed our 401 water quality. So Peter Back House, who you may know, uh is reviewing that and we're looking to schedule a site visit for that piece of things. As far as the project in front of you guys, um, Outback, our engineer, has

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been making some changes to the site plans, and I've kind of just got like the, uh, index sheet here colored up a little bit for easy viewing, but we can flip through anything more detailed if there's a desire. >> Um, can we just Sure. >> for one minute, please, because I just

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noticed these revised plans came in August 6th. We really need to vote to look at them, right? So moved. >> We require plans presentation in advance. So we have to >> understood. Yeah. We were just hoping to

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give you a quick update. >> All right. So it's a motion and a second. All in favor? >> I >> thank you. >> Um and so you know understanding the commission hasn't had the amount of time that you all would like to look at these. We just kind of wanted to give you an update since it's been a little

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while and point you to some of the, you know, more salient changes. A good chunk of the changes have been with regard to storm water. Um, I won't pretend to be a civil engineer here, so I'll allow Jason and Debb to kind of

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work that out, but um, Outback's provided a little letter here summarizing the changes that they've made in response to Merryill's letter. As far as site layout, there's really nothing that's changed. There's been a few things that have shifted around the

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edges. Um, we've added a lot of plan details for, you know, uh, the basin structures and some other things of that nature. We've added utilities, water, etc. locations for septics, locations for propane, all those types of things.

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Um, which I think was comment this commission made. We've improved some of the grading and access around the basins with a bit of a better burm and some shallower slopes to allow for better uh maintenance access as time goes on because we know those

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basins frequently are not maintained. Um we've added two new box coververts for roughly a total of three. One's in Taton. Um so comp commission is looking at that one but I believe uh this commission had noted that there is a

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second stream at this location actually. So we did go out we delineated that survey located it we're showing them on the plans now and we've got a another open bottom box cover culvert crossing that stream as well. Uh again you know designed to meet the stream crossing standards in all the same ways that the

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other ones do. The one other piece that I'm kind of interested in which real quick was um we added in what were I think nine of

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what we're calling habitat mitigation areas. So, these are uh called out in some clouded areas kind of around the perimeter areas that you know need to be disturbed for some grading, but we're looking to add back some wildlife

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habitat value in those areas. So, there's maybe one, two, three, four on this sheet and I think another five on the next sheet for the rear building. Basically what those get um each of those areas will get one um brush or

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stone pile which provides some nice little microhabitats for some smaller fauna. Uh one freestanding nest box for some bird species. We're going to create one snag for some perching bird species.

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Handful of native trees and shrubs and obviously native seed mix in those areas. um just because you know there are some areas around the perimeter that we do need to disturb for grading and whatnot. So we're looking to add back a little bit

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where we can in those areas. Um that is the highlight of the changes that we've got for you. Um really nothing has changed in terms of location or size or or anything dramatically in

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that neighborhood. It's mostly just a bunch more detail. um some tweaks to some of the basins and I think that that uh pretty much sums it up. So, you know, understanding all of you have not had the time you'd like to look over it. Um

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that's totally fine, but we wanted to come give you a quick update and see if there were any kind of first first blush questions or comments um that you know you might want to look at. >> Where do you guys stand with time? >> Time we're in a pretty similar place um

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here. So the um Outback kind of did one flush of storm water revisions for both of those reviews. So I think we have we're in front of them this coming Monday for basically this same presentation that I just gave you.

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to Deb Keller would be is presumably dealing with both sets of comments for Tommy for >> Y and there I mean because they are one storm water system there's a lot of overlap between them but you know it's good to have that kind of consistency

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>> streams you said there's two but they're both intermittent unnamed >> correct they're both inter unnamed streams um one had been delineated in the anat process that's you know the [snorts] I've got them highlighted in pink here. So that's the larger of the these two

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over here. Uh and then there was I guess a note in the ORAD that identified a second stream in that location. So >> Brandon had done that and Samantha and they >> and I wrote the ORAD and when I did I made sure that because they had called

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out at that other intermittent stream [snorts] they hadn't checked that. >> Yeah. So, I'm not exactly sure why that didn't get flagged at that time, but we flagged it now. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> So, it's on the plans. We're crossing it like it should be crossed.

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>> So, is the last letter that you responded to from Deb Keller like this June 15th one? Looks like he's answering it all in July. >> Yeah, I think Jason I don't have Deb's letter in front of me. Jason's letter was 28. I think it was just the one.

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>> Yeah. So far, it's just the one. We're waiting on the next one because >> Deb is quite Does everybody still have Debs? Hers is quite extensive on all this stuff. And so that's what we would be waiting for that Jason answered it on this uh July 28th.

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>> Yep. And I think from what I heard, it sounded like we're expecting at least a followup from Deb, right? Yeah. So, I assume, you know, she'll take a look at all those things and make sure they uh are up to snuff on her. >> And she wanted to come to your meeting. >> Yes, she did. Well, the thing, too, is

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that um even though this is dated July 28th, it looks like we received it on August 6. >> Yeah, we just got it last week last week, you know. Sent it on to >> Understood. Yeah, I think we only got him here on Thursday. That must have

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been the eight. Um yeah, we were doing some some of our final checks internally, but uh but yeah, those are the dates. >> All right, so she will get a chance to respond. >> Yep. Yep. >> And then if there's just a few small things left, then

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she will could come to the next meeting to cover that. >> Yeah. >> Before we close it out. And >> yes, I think that makes sense. Um, I'm sure we can we could probably plan to have Jason here as well if there's some more, you know, storm water engineering related things. I'm sure that's kind of

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the focus of her review, right? >> So, you you you mentioned Peter, is it Bakus? I I don't I don't uh It's a 401. >> Yeah, DP reviewer. He reviews NOIs sometimes. I don't know who you guys usually end up with. Um, but he's our

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reviewer for the 401. >> Okay. So there's still that's still um I guess that's separate, but there um I do you know when the site visit he's we were going back and forth on it. I want

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to say I think he both he and Owen from my office who was doing the 401 are out of the office for the next two weeks. I want to say it was like September 1st 3rd >> second >> first couple days of September that they were talking about. Um and you know we'll make sure we coordinate with you

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guys. All right. Yeah. >> Great. >> So motion to continue. Is everybody else? Go ahead. >> One question. You in your synopsis of some of the changes, I think it was related to something I had asked Jason. Uh but you use the term propane propane

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locations. Is that you're eliminating the option of natural gas? >> Yeah, I believe that's the idea. Yes. >> Put some tanks out there rather than >> Okay. >> We got a couple locations for propane tanks for each of the buildings. Well, is the gas available down there?

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>> I don't know. Is >> I >> I don't know off hand. I >> I would assume it might be out there on 79, but I don't know. >> Right. >> But either way, it's fine. I just if you were running it across the culvert, I just had a question about the how it got across. But if it's going to be in a

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tank now, it comes in in a truck. So, >> yep. [snorts] Eliminates that one, I guess. >> So, before we continue, I have a question. If you're doing a a site visit that's going to be like the first 2nd of September, should we continue this two

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meetings out instead of to August 22nd or will we have the information that we need and the peer review Deb have had time to review by the August 22nd meeting or the August 25th meeting?

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>> Should we go two weeks or should we go before five weeks? Well, we could go two weeks and >> we can always, >> you know, you can always call for to to extend it. >> I think that makes sense. And, you know, if the commission wants to, you know, join us on that sidewalk, obviously, you're more than happy to, but it's kind of like a parallel track. Um,

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>> I just want to make sure that you and Deb all have enough time to back and forth before we ask everybody. >> Yeah, I think she said she's out of the office this week, maybe. So, you know, I I don't think there's anything controversial in what I've seen and um in their back and forth here on design

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elements. So, I'm hopeful that she's going to come back and say, you know, cross those tea, dot that eye, and we'll be good to go. >> Okay. >> Yeah, why don't we do the next one and always we'll be in touch if we need to bump it. >> Okay. make then a motion to continue um

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this hearing on zero street to our next meeting which will be >> 25th here at the Lake Hill Police Station at 6:30 p.m. >> Second. >> Everybody good? >> Yep. >> All in favor? >> I just

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thanks for the update. >> Thank you. >> Have a great night. Safe drive. >> Thanks. >> Hopefully a lot shorter. [laughter] >> I feel the pain. Oh yeah. >> This is now [laughter] by the pound. Oh no.

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>> Up at the circle. There's a restaurant. See? >> Oops. >> Bump that. >> Huh? Usually they come shooting out of the bump microphone. >> He's not here today. >> God.

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Yeah. >> Yeah. >> All right. All right. Last but not least, reorganization of the board. Um back in March, this came up in appropriate time to have a reorganization of the board is

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after the reappoints. Um the only person reappointed was you. Oh, the rest of us were off. >> No, [laughter] but she was the only one that came up for reappoint this year. I thought you two were up three appointments. >> I thought I was, but then there was an

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email that came around next year >> and said, "Yeah, that they were really two years." >> So, >> so apparently because I was I took >> somebody >> took the remainder of Bob's term, they

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are giving the full term. Oh, the remainder of the term. So 27 I'm due. Um okay. So um let's start off with the committee. I perfectly happy to remain chairman. U Mark

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>> I make a motion that Nancy be the chair. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I All right. Thank you. Joe is the vice chair. >> I make a motion that Joe stay. >> Do you want that position, [clears throat] Joe?

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>> Well, can we make the motion, second it, and then discuss? >> What if Joe doesn't want it? >> Joe doesn't want it. He's good to 28. After that, assuming I make it that far, not to doing this for. Okay.

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>> I think out of respect for Joe and not wanting the position, somebody else should. >> All right. So, I make a motion that Mark be the What? >> Vice chair. >> Vice chair. >> Second. >> You got it, buddy. >> You good with it?

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>> I'll take the responsibility. >> All the green cards. >> Yeah, I'm the green card guy now. >> Minutes. >> That's going to be your 28th, correct? >> 28, I believe. >> And Joe will be here until 28. So, he can help you. >> Now, wait a minute. Now, >> did we have a motion in a second, right? We're discussing.

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>> Yes. >> Joe is also the secretary from way back. That's why Joe does all the green cards. >> Unofficially on the secretary, right? >> Well, no. I mean, it was voted a long time ago [clears throat] and never taken away. >> Right. Right. Right. >> Oh, wait. Should we should we vote? >> Do we have a mark first?

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>> I'm just saying Well, you're saying that he's going to think that the green cards are his job. >> But there's a motion in a second. Okay. >> I think eventually they will by default become my job even if Joe wants to still as the as secretary. >> Okay. But um I I think I've done it once

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or twice too in Joe's absence. >> Okay. >> I'm fine with it either way, but I'm just looking. [laughter] >> So, we got a motion to second. All in favor? >> I >> I [clears throat] All right. Next. Um there are several committees that we

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that Joe is no longer going to fulfill either. >> Right. >> Okay. So, one being the master plan, which I think is very important, and the second being energy advisory, which um

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my thing is Mark's part-time. He's have a hard enough time keeping up with everything that's going on on part-time. So, I I wouldn't want that to go to have to have him go to the meetings. My thing with the energy advisory, if anything came up, they'd ask for our

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opinion anyway. So why would we really have to >> unless they harass us >> discussed as a whole board. >> What do you mean? >> Yeah. They want our opinion. We >> you know going to the meetings then you bring it back or whatever. So I mean I don't care about energy advisory. I

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don't know if anybody else does either. Not that I don't care but I don't think we need to >> take a we're all volunteers >> responsibility. >> Can I ask or through you can I ask Joe a question about that? >> Yes please. Joe, how are you to describe

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the responsibilities and presence of a conservation member at the energy advisory committee meetings? >> It it helps a lot and we've saved this over the years. We have saved this town both cool bucks >> from a conservation standpoint.

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>> From an energy Oh, energy. >> But I'm talking about a through what has conservation had to I'm sorry. >> So, well, no, I'm not putting my finger up like don't talk loud enough. Sorry. I think Joe's point is like we've once discussed the

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we've discussed before and I think his point from a conservation standpoint he's not looking at at a wetland standpoint. He's looking at it as a conser standpoint as in sometimes we can should consider a field a resource area as much

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as the wetlands >> and what are we using? It sounds like you have such an understanding of the [laughter] subject matter of Joe Joe's thought process that maybe you would be a good member for. >> Can we just vote on him first? The vice

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chair. We already did that. All right. So, can we stop for a minute and list all the things before >> we decide on what? >> So, we have energy advisory master plan. Um, come to my surprise when I got the

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the memo to go get sworn in for Zebra, I never nobody ever told me I was on it. I guess I was on it all last year and nobody bothered to tell me I was on it. >> Are they doing that? >> So, >> I used to be on that Zebra. >> I used I think you still are. >> No, you're not.

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>> All right. Well, that was when I when I see the list, too. >> I had to kick out. I saw the list and my name's on it and I'm like, "No, because I'm doing CPA >> and I've always done CPA." So, I mean, I was all those years ago, I put CPA on

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twice. So, I mean, I'm the treasurer for CPA and I don't want that's what I like to do. So, I guess and I would like to continue to do that, but I don't want to be on Zebra, but I guess they never meet. So, maybe we don't have to appoint anybody unless they started meeting

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again and then we'd think about it. But I guess they didn't meet much at all last year. Maybe that's why I was never invited. >> I thought it just I honestly thought it would disbanded. It was It was Nate. >> Um >> Bob Mather from town >> blue.

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>> Bob's on it. >> Me. >> Bob's still on there. I asked if you were on there cuz I'm like there's our representative. >> Rita Garbett involved in that. >> No, Rita wasn't on it. But there is on >> there were a couple other boards

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represented. Uh >> what's the guy's name? >> So >> I think it was Zebra. We were looking at the zone. >> Were you involved? Were you on Zebra as a conservation member? >> Okay. >> I was a representative.

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>> Ah okay. >> Aha. >> I I just but I wasn't an assessor back then. Now I'm an assessor. Uh, it's hard for me to get time to do all this stuff. >> And [snorts] >> John's always available. >> I don't like to admit that I'm an

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obsessive because I don't know. >> You get yelled at a lot. >> I like I like low level >> under the radar. >> Under the radar. >> But, >> all right. [snorts] So, um, how about a motion I stay on CPA and get that done with?

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>> So, your choice. >> Second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. All right. So, the next thing that I think is the most important is the master plan. >> Well, I'm willing to do >> master plan for >> either energy advisory or if John

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doesn't want to do Zbrack and it comes, I'll do one of those. >> Okay. >> I'm not going to do >> You don't want to do master plan? >> No. >> I think that that's >> How often do they meet? >> When you need to make a new master plan, it gets a little more heated, but we just approved one a couple years ago. Okay.

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>> So, you got like one more years before it gets heated. >> Updated every so often. >> Every 10 every 10 years it's updated. >> Uh my problem with the last time I was involved in the planning board at that time, >> it all comes from the state level anyway. You're not going to get it. You're not going to put your own

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language. It's basically sir write >> what what the state wants it to say. >> All right. So you you'll do energy advisory. How is it still how often are you meeting Joe?

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>> It I I wanted to say rarely but I would say more. It's sporadic. >> Okay. >> Sometimes you might meet twice in a month. Other times you go five to six months and not me. >> Okay.

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And Zebra, one or the other or both? Why don't we just wait on Zebra? >> Are you going to do Zebra? Why don't we just wait on Zebra? If you're going to need >> I mean, if I'm still on it, if if I'm still a member. >> So, all right. >> I make a motion that John be the representative member of Zebra come and

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I be the representative member of the energy advisory committee. >> Perfect. >> So, move. Do I have a second? >> Second. >> Any discussion? You guys, we didn't even ask if anybody else was well. Wait a minute. We still got master plan. >> Yeah. They're still an as plants.

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>> I feel like they're hiding their own two other commissions also. So, >> right. You are. Yeah. >> They're in commissioning the forestry. >> Yeah. Um All right. So, we got a motion and a second. >> Yes, we do. >> All in favor? >> I >> I All right. What about master?

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>> I don't know if you I don't know if you got a >> a second. >> Quum. >> A what? >> A quorum. >> All in favor? >> I >> I [laughter] >> Everybody's lips moved. I guess it >> you don't we John there's a quorum [laughter] two people can vote and then that's a

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majority >> we don't need to do a roll vote >> all right so master the plan try not to move so you don't see them [laughter] >> well you know what the thing that I I complain about all the time is that all

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these boards mostly are volunteers and then it comes around that they want you to do another thing and another thing and another thing So will my email be circulated with the energy advisory committee so that if there is a meeting will be

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>> back to Colleen and tell her who we voted is on it. So she's the one who's going to send it all out. Yes. Yes. >> So how about we just leave master plan hanging. If they start up again then we'll bring it up again. >> Delegate. >> Yeah. Do they meet when after they

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>> I don't think you're going to probably see but maybe a once a year meeting at this point. >> Yeah. Really? because we have a master plan and it's usually about 5 years out they start discussing it's time to start >> thinking about the new one.

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>> Yeah, we should get one of the younger members. [laughter] >> Yeah, we're going to >> So, we got some stuff to sign. Yep, we do. >> Have we concluded the agenda? I think >> yes. Motion to adjurnn. >> Second. >> All in favor?

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>> I. All right.