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Allegiance to the flag of United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [cough] >> Eva, please call the role.

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>> Mayor Charles, >> here. >> Council member Royce, >> here. >> Council member Hayes, >> here. >> Council member Sap >> here. Council member Everart. >> Okay. And um because we're doing the workshop for the CRA and also the workshop, the second workshop for the

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town uh budget, uh we are going to open the CRA as we just did. We'll close it and then we'll move on to the other. Um staff's been working really hard pulling everything together. Um we have a very

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light agenda tonight. I think we're going to be able to get through it um pretty fast. And um at this point, we're going to do a tag team between Eva, Rachel, and myself on the C CRA. And um

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Chief Snder, our interim town uh administrator, is actually doing double duty in the sound booth because our sound and audio technician, is stuck in traffic on 64 uh due to the storm. So appreciate chief also playing double

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role up here. So um this chart here is >> I'm sorry. >> Good just kind of want to move over on the capital side uh for the annual budget is

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the 574 was spending through June. Um basically that fund balance is like 579 597 and that ties into the project worksheets that we have attached. Um we've got interest of 10,000. That's the

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number that we can allocate. And then the important for um tonight is the 134 331 and the 242 makes up 376,554 additional CRA funding that's coming in this year that we um want to allocate.

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Um, so unless there's any questions on this chart, what our plan is to go through quickly the existing projects to see is there any that you want to delay, cancel, um, or change and then that

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would free up money that we will then move into. How can we at best allocate? Uh, we're going to need direction on projects to allocate the 376,000. And you'll see later there's just some thought starter ideas. So the first uh

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process that we thought is let's and we did a little of that um a couple weeks ago at the CRA and we've updated from them but maybe just go through these projects to see anything standing out to you all that we want to adjust in any way and then if there is some to cancel

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we'll take that money as unallocated and we'll start working that for the um for the budget with the additional funds. Make sense? Okay. So, I'm going to turn it over to Eva. We'll just kind of go through them one at a time and you can say thumbs up,

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thumbs down, or any comments to change in them. >> Let me just bring it up. I lost >> what's that? >> I lost my my other workshop. >> And since we have one participant in the audience, if there's any questions that you have at any time, raise your hand.

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And I'm going to not go back and forth. We'll just discuss up here. And >> there we go. I found it. >> Okay. First one on here. That's we'll we'll go ahead as your There we go. Dale

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Hall parking and sidewalk. >> So, mayor that was already removed. >> Yep. >> So, that was >> they'll move on, right? >> The irrigation. I think last time we gave us the thumbs up to continue. >> Why don't we add some money there, Madame Mayor? think it's going to cost

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more than 10 grand to do wells and irrigation. So I I mean we have some money to do. I would I think we ought to budget 20 grand there. >> Allan, is that from your experience high enough?

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>> I don't know the current pricing of drilling a well, but I know just replacing the pump was is 10,000. >> So 10,000 for the pump and then you need irrigation lines and everything, right? I don't think anything's ever been put in there. >> Correct. >> So 20,000 should be sufficient.

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>> 20 to >> We'll make it 25. I'm Let's fund it enough to get it done. >> Okay. >> Next is your doll playground. 50,000 is what's allocated from the previous 50,000.

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>> Yeah, I can't. Here we go. There I go. We just had this conversation, didn't we? Now, speak into the mic. $50,000 for the doll hall playground is what was on the original list. >> Is that enough? >> Okay.

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>> The the only thing I and I was going to throw it out later is I think we initially thought that was playground. I I'd like to think about kicking it up a little for like I not a big splash pad but even douncing dancing fountains or something some type of a splash pad as

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we look at people want splash pad where would you put that probably the Dale Hall Park is a good spot Alan I mean that's kind of what we're kicking around other words you know you already got water down at Lake June Park maybe something there but you know it's

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really came out in a lot of our workshops a splash pad. >> The only thing I'm not sure of is the water treatment because the water would be recycled. I don't know how large that equipment is or where that would need to go. >> So, what do you want to add?

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>> Brandon, are you adding to is that possible or not possible? >> I worked for a town that had that and uh we had to use potable water at all times and no reuse and it actually just goes right into the the drain. Uh it actually

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went to the Kusahachche River uh the way we had it set up. >> So well water would be fine to use for a splash pad. >> No, no, ma'am. It has to beated. It would have to be chlorinated >> and and also if you're going to do a splash pad, what we had was was a rubber

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mat for the kids to to be on with on the splash pad. So however they design it, I just want to >> Do you have any budget thoughts on that? >> No, ma'am. I just did the repairing. [laughter] >> Safe answer. So, let's raise it to $100,000 and see if that'll cover it.

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>> And we should change the title to playground splash pad, right? >> Make it 100 grand and see if if that gets we can always change. >> And we would go after grants too. I mean, that's where we can really get grants for that. And ARPAC can help too up to 75,000

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because if if CRA can fund it, then we can go to ARPAC and get some funding, too. So, I'm fine with that if everybody is. Okay. Sorry, flipping the page. So, we I would uh the Dah rehab building that was excess funding. That'll just

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come off. That has I mean it was carried over from 2024 25. That's why you see it negative. It had been carried over for that project as a loss. We we'll end up adjusting that. Um, right, Rachel? I don't know how that

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works. >> So, have you done the rehab work or not? >> We did the rehab work was done in 2425, but there was an additional uh invoice, I think, or whatever got made in the next. >> This is an overrun, right? >> So, this is money that's already been spent, right? It's an overrun.

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>> The patio we've just killed though, right? >> Yes. Right. >> Yes. landscaping as I remember we didn't we kind of put it off but do we need to put more money in there to to buy some stuff once we're ready

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it's depends on how many trees we want to plant in there as far as landscaping do you want if we're just doing trees or if we're kind of going to be decorating around with mulch and plants and things like I'm I'm not trying to just spend money,

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but we we got $961,000. >> So, I would I would suggest we add another five grand there. Make that 15. >> I would also suggest keeping it simple. Just trees, less maintenance, as simple as possible. Although, oak leaves are a pain in a splash pad, I would think. So, we have to be very careful what you put

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where. >> I think you ought to go to 10 10 more. 5,000 won't get you much more. 20 >> just for a few trees. It shouldn't be a whole lot. Well, and and sometimes we can look at shade structures, too. >> Sure. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Thank you. Okay.

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>> So, I think the next one's a subject to sewer utility. I think uh that was 32,000 that was put in there. >> The sewer >> is that just is that to pay for connection fees if we're doing it with to businesses and homes within the area? >> Yes.

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>> Okay. And then we added the storm water um this last this last last year. So 70,000 on that one. Leave it this. >> Okay. >> I lost my spot. Sorry.

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70,000. Oh, the gazebo railing 75,000. >> Yeah, we have an RFP out, so we're going to know pretty soon on what that's going to cost. I think it's due back in 10 days or something like that. Uh quite a

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few companies have at least looked at the RFP, so that's encouraging. >> Is 75 the right number for that? >> Don't have no clue. I think I think you're think >> 75 seems a bit high for that. It >> should be okay. Yeah. Yeah. And then you have um I guess the benches

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benches for 40. And >> we're still working through that. That's that's >> Did I go too fast? I'm sorry. >> Oh, >> okay. >> That's still at 40. Is that right? >> Yes. I'm trying to Wait, there it is.

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40. >> Yeah. you give us 40 and we'll see how far it goes. You know, I think at one point we're going to replace every bench throughout town and we're like, "No, let's just start with one area." A lot of them are still functional. So, good.

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>> And then, uh, [clears throat] downtown banners, I think that will require a sign code that Central Florida Regional Planning is working on because we can't have banners um, >> so under our code. Madame Mayor, that was this one's the highlighted. So, are

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it says here required are we required to hire someone to work on sign signage and banner language or not? >> Yes. >> Um, so, Chief, do you want to comment on this? I've I've got Chief has put a call

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into Flint Central Planning because they were working on it. They came back to us. They're working on it and I asked them the other day, are they still working on it or do we need to get Dana? >> She was she was there at that meeting and she said she's coming back in

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September to talk to us about signage. >> Okay. >> So, I believe they are working on it. >> Okay, perfect. >> You when you say she, you mean Jennifer? >> I mean Jennifer. Yeah, Jennifer. Yeah. Not Dana. >> So, we've already we've already made a deal with them to pay them this >> as part of the master plan that they

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were working on. They were working on this and food trucks. >> Okay. >> I think they're backing off on the food trucks. >> I I think we needed um the town code because is it not addressed or not addressed correctly, Chief, in the town code?

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>> Um actually, they were not contracted for our sign ordinance in totality. They were only doing the food truck portion of the the food truck portion as it pertained to the CRA area and the sign

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ordinance as it pertains to the CRA area. For the sign ordinance for the entire town, they are not doing that. >> Okay. Okay. >> 25 grand to do sign code ordinance for food trucks.

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No, I think this 25 was the signs. I mean, we were moving down where signs on the light poles and this was budgeting for wayfinding signs throughout town and all of that. And then we came to a stop when oh our code doesn't allow it. So

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the this is to go purchase way finding signs >> um call it the flags coming down from light poles and things like that. >> Thank you. I misunderstood. I thought this was work we were doing on code >> that central. >> No, that's probably $50,000. I'm just

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joking. [laughter] >> Okay. >> So, this in order to do those projects, we're going to need sign code changes. >> Yeah. Otherwise, we we can make the signs, but we can't put them up. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Thank you. >> In fact, they were doing that. They even had which ones they were going to order

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in that. >> Wonderful. Thank you. So, we're leaving the um signage and banners at 25 and 15, respectively. >> Okay. >> Will these signs turn into something like the Christmas decorations where

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it's a project a couple times a year for the employees to go out there and deal with? I mean, I hate to >> I've already had discussion about this before I got here on council, but some of the stuff just seems cumbersome for the employees to have to deal with for just signs of if they're busy doing other things, taking care of roadways,

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rideways, parks. Now to add 50 signs up and down the street you have to deal with. Seems like one more nuisance they shouldn't have to deal with. >> So I'm not really thrilled about signs one way or the other just seems a little unnecessary to me. But >> well I know there's been discussion

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there's been discussion about um you know we don't want the the town to look like there's just a bunch of signs and flags and stuff like that. We want it to be tasteful. So to your point, I think that's a good point that we we don't want to end up with too many, but the

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merchants and the people in town are adamant that we have something. So I think we need to find a nice middle ground in between. So, not to get too deep in the weeds, but if our people go and they're putting up flags or they're putting up Christmas

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decorations and they're all those are located within the CRA, can the CRA write a check to the town and pay for some of that time? >> I don't think so. I don't think I don't

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think the CRA can pay for any um people to work. They can pay for product but not people to work. I don't think >> I would need to look at the plan specifically, but I would lean towards council woman [clears throat] Nell Hayes is saying I'd look at the plan. Maybe we can put it as a program or something of

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that nature and try to work it out. But let me look at it and see if we can find something there. was >> and I know this came up last um CRA meeting and we want to be careful of how much administrative effort we're going to do

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to determine how much of so's time was just doing that in order to get so there's going to be a tradeoff of moving it from one budget to the other and I get it but there's going to I don't want to shovel a lot of work on our side that's auditable of challenging how how

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did we come up with that I know in the past uh Jennifer had told us that we could hire a project manager for all of the CRA and charge that because that's something you know definitive. So we could do that and that's why and and

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we'll come back at some point once we see all these because at some point it's going to be a lot more work to get these projects done that are CRA. So we tried to go down the route. We didn't get anybody that

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applied for the job, but to just have a project manager over the CRA and then we can get them going faster. >> And madame mayor, I agree. I don't want to have us tracking [clears throat] 15inute periods of time, but with this CRA funds, if there are these things

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that we're spending thousands of dollars to do that are within the CRA district, whether it's policing festivals, whether it's putting up banners in there, these big identifiable chunk expenses,

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everything that can get charged off appropriately to the CRA. a means less general fund re more general fund resources saved. >> Yeah, fair fair enough. And so and that's where um Mike appreciate looking

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into that because you know we've even talked about maintenance inside the CRA. Nope, we can't charge that. That's operations. So it's the usually it's the tangible purchases and things that are done upfront except for a project manager could be because they're

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managing the projects. >> Okay. >> So fair enough. And thank you for those comments. [clears throat] So the next one is streetscape lighting. I think there's lost >> I I think this has been the pots right

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is the streetscape has been the pots and the landscaping >> um and that >> so right now there's a 20,68535 in that in that >> balance in this area but I think Ellen this is where we're

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using some of this money for the lighting, better lighting in >> Deain Park. >> In Deain Park. So, we'll leave that 20,000 for now. >> And then the next one is where you see that >> streetscape and lighting >> page 17. >> Sorry.

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>> Yeah, it kind of kind of rolls over a little. >> Yeah, it kind of cut off. >> It's cut off. >> Yeah, I was looking at the 426. I see the 20 now. >> Okay, I'm good. Thank you. >> Yeah, it scrolled. Uh, next ones is the flower pots. And what do we have here,

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Eva? We've got 16,000 left over from >> That's leftover. That's leftover. >> That's leftover. >> Have we bought all the pots we're going to buy as far as y'all know? >> I think so. Yeah. I think the last ones were on Maine, South Maine, and this

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one's I I think this is excess money that could be allocated elsewhere. Um, we're we were getting some we were getting some feedback from merchants on Interlake that where were their pots, but was there something about that that there wasn't room enough for pots, Alan?

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Was that >> I know they were they were they were complaining, how come these two have pots and we don't have pots. Yeah, I believe the discussion was how many were originally planned for and already had irrigation plumbed up uh for that. Uh I

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can tell you that was handled by someone other than me. I don't have a whole lot of information regarding that. >> I I'm not hearing any of that that you just said. >> I wasn't overseeing that project, so I don't have a whole lot of information as far as how many were supposed to be

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there versus how many are there. So to to my knowledge, the ones that are there are the ones that were initially planned for. >> Okay. >> So there should be >> chief has some updates because I thought it was five on Inter Lake and they're in

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five big ones and where the pavers were the like little cutout paver areas. Chief, >> we were able to put all the pots that we had scheduled to go on Interlake on Interlake on the pavers where we had irrigation. We were not able to put any

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more in than what was put on Inner Lake. So, the project is complete with all the pots that were able to go out there. >> Okay. >> So, why don't we take 10 grand out of it? Leave six grand there just in case we decide to put a few more in. >> Okay. >> And put 10 grand somewhere else.

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>> Okay. >> And in regards to John's Park, I wouldn't spend any more time researching it. I just make do what you need to do there. I think that's >> okay. >> I think that was going to be awesome. If you put those electrical outlets in that

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park and light it up at night, that' be awesome. >> So, we're leaving that at 30 for John's Park. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Park Street Sidewalk. >> Is 30 going to be enough there? Alan, do you have a

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That was being handled by Dennis. I know that he had run into some issues. I don't remember if it was deciding which side of the road that that it was going to be on cuz I believe he was going to put it on the north side of Park Street

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and that would have gone through those uh several residences property versus putting it going through the uh tax collector's office and being on the south side.

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He had it surveyed. I don't have a whole lot more information as to why it stopped, but I I know he ran into some issue, but I I don't know what. >> So, let's add the $10,000 we just took out of pots and put it in that project

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and work towards getting that project completed. I think we all kind of agreed that [clears throat] maybe even some of that would be just marking off some of the street and not trying to build into that hill down by the historical society. But I really think that's a

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project we ought to be pushing [snorts] forward to have a good wide sidewalk that connects the historical society and the chamber. I don't even care if we have to go up one side then cross over and do some more on one other side, you know, but

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there ought to be a decent path to take you to those areas. Um Allan's group did paint the curbing yellow and on the way um to the historical society because people were parking. So you come down in

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front of the masons as a sidewalk and then it stops and so people were then coming out in the road but there's cars parking there. So, we've blocked off that they can't park and at least I mean I was even thinking to put some more yellow in the road as like a striping to to make it clear nobody can park there

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and then people can continue to walk. It's >> temporary because the challenge is going to be that hill going up to the mural, right? >> And that then that's what's happening as people will climb up the hill to look at the mural and there were cars parking right there. So, I think that at least

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has helped a little. But yeah, the the challenge of a sidewalk, but I agree to get a sidewalk all the way from there to the chamber would be important. >> Okay. >> So, the pavers is a little overage from that project. So, you had one that came

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in short and this one's over. >> So, this is extra money. >> The 5,5 >> Okay. Can we get reallocated somewhere? >> The Steuart, you talking about the Steuart Park pavers? >> Yes. So, if we go to the next one, I would like to ask you all to consider putting

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a lot more money in the Steuart Park electrical. Um, I mean, I was thinking another 20, 30 grand. And I really think we ought to, as you know, I've advocated for Steuart Drive or Stewart Street or whatever it is, you know, putting lights

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across it, lighting that whole area up. I really think that ought to be one of the areas that we even add to our fee schedule to be able to block off that road for events and that's where we hold a lot of these downtown events is in

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Steuart Street. Do you, just to clarify, do you want say overhead goose neck lights on one side and poles on the other side to run zigzag or just say poles and run like that? Uh that >> what I envision like what we see in a

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lot of cities and like Sebring has it now around their circle and that is they have poles on both sides and then they have >> they the string lights and you know it just lights up that whole area looks kind of neat and I'm I not even

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beginning to try to engineer it. I'm assuming there would have to be a half a dozen to eight poles on both sides of Stewart to string crisscrossing you know, lights and where we could, if you wanted to, you could turn on a

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switch and it would light up all of Stewart [snorts] because my idea is when we have food truck rallies, we have certain events, maybe even have yard sales. I mean, that we ought to that'd be a very easy street to close down.

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And um and then we aren't wearing out the grass. we aren't wearing out in the park, but the pavilions there, the restrooms there, you know, and that's a great place right almost in the geographic center of downtown to have events.

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So, I'd like for us to amplify the electric there, have you all look into what it would cost to create to light that entire street. Not talking about shining lights down in it. I'm talking about >> like Journal Plaza. When you come up to Journal Plaza, you see, >> right,

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>> everything's wrong. So, you want to add 30 and we'll take the 5,000 from up above and throw it in there. >> Sure. Just And we will see what the budget brings. >> And a ballard lighting for inside the park, too, I think is important, >> right? >> For wayfairing and so you don't drip on any of those papers.

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>> No, I agree. If we do ballard lighting at the same time, that might >> significantly increase the the >> we ought to really be able whether it's the Halloween deal, whatever it is that we really ought to be able to light that park up to have nighttime events in there

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>> tastefully. But yeah. >> Yeah. Yes. Yes. >> Probably better to put that on timer every night till like 9 or 10 o'clock at night so we don't have to have people going back and forth. Just kick on every night, seven nights a week. >> Good idea. to think about. Anyway,

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>> at least the ones in the park. Maybe not so much the ones across, but the ones in the park for sure. >> I think that would be nice. >> Let's do them all. >> Worry about that later. >> So, that's up to >> 35.

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>> We added 35. We'll do 55. We added >> adding 35. >> Add 35. >> Added 35. that the 16,000 has already been expended from this year. >> All right. So, we're good. 55. I think we talked about before we spent

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too much money in Taylor Park sidewalk figuring out kind of what the whole deal for the neighborhood was. And I don't care if we want to leave the money there, but let's don't let's don't do too many sidewalks that people are going to immediately drive over and break. >> That's definitely not enough money for

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there. We need to do a lot of work in that neighborhood. Yeah. >> 15,000 won't even touch what needs to be done in there. Looks like there's a loop on the inside of that block that runs around that park that's there. The sidewalks on both sides of the street. It's on the inside set of houses there. I haven't looked at it in a while, just

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off top of my head. That whole thing would probably have to be redone, particularly if the runners are want to add it into the loop. It's going to be a major project when that time comes. >> Well, let's we also have to get the people not to park on that sidewalk because the cars block the sidewalk down the whole street. That's been kind of a

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tough situation with the people who live there. So there'll be a lot to consider when we start doing that. >> Well, if we're going to I mean what you're talking about doing is just fixing up just in the immediate park area initially. >> Well, no. Do the whole neighborhood. I mean, you're looking at probably 1,000 feet or more down 1500 feet and turn and

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come back the other way. It's going to be a pretty big expense to do that. That whole sidewalk's pretty well messed up. >> That neighborhood has a significant storm water in that area as well. So, you might need to do some kind of curb system. Yeah, those houses on the north side, the whole front of the house is washed

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out on some of them. The step is like 3 ft down to get in the front door. It's kind of crazy the way the houses are exposed there. >> So, that will be an issue. >> Wouldn't that [snorts] be eligible for like a CDBG grant, a community development grant? I mean, I

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know I mean everybody's looking at me like, okay, cuz the last time we I mean, it's been a while since Highway Park has been, you know, applying for them with a lot of success. >> So, it might take >> that might be an area that we can even look into because 15,000's not going to

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do anything like you're saying. >> You know what? It might be 15 grand just to study it, just to get some I mean, it might take some seed money just to figure out >> what needs to be done there. So we can leave the money in there and just use it as the seed money to figure out what needs to be done.

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>> If we could do a section at a time, do 20,000 a year for three or four years in a row and work it out instead of just >> Well, I think I like the idea of leaving 15,000 in there for for a plan, >> a study or engineering or something so we can see what we really do need to

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have have there. And then once we know once we have a study by by an engineer or whatever, then we can go for that. See community development grant that the letters are bad. >> I know, >> but we would have to have that in order to go to the for the grant anyway.

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>> Agree. And I mean to council member Sap's comments, the bottom of Lake Gashard down there, you there's a sand wash out all the time. I mean, and I'm I'm surprised they haven't come screaming at, you know, when can we get this resolved. That whole area if you

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drive down there and you try to make that curve that there's always sand and a wash out right there. ways. Yeah. >> So, sidewalks is one thing. Fixing the drainage is probably a priority. So, that's a good point. Let's use that for a I think one of the issues with that

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though was um was that the Serenity Village owner's problem or was it the town's problem as far as the sidewalk and and all of that? And I think that's where we kind of got bollixed up as to um >> there are no owners here. There aren't

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there's not a neighborhood organization or a person who's responsible for that whole neighborhood like you would have used in southern areas. It's I think that's all gone away. There was really no one to contact to make that happen. >> Jack Shives built all that in the first place. >> But I I was just I just assumed he was at at least somehow still involved in

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that because that was his deal. The whole Serenity Village was Jack Shives. Okay. Taylor Park engineer irrigation and then that's in the park there. There >> I know we're holding off on that but

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again then why don't we make that $20,000 because if we're going to really put a well and do stuff it's >> I I believe we could actually take that out. There is existing city water in the backside. At one time that park was

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irrigated. The only we ran into issues with say water pressure issues. It was about 20 to 25 pounds. And uh eventually once all the grass got established and the landscaping was taken out of the

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corner, it was shut down after that. There is technically the pipes are already in the ground. We would just have to try to reestablish city water back to it. And we may not want to irrigate all the the whole lawn. We

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might just want to do trees around that park or the the playground, I should say. >> So, I'm just curious when we use town water, portable water, do we meter it and charge our charge ourselves and pay

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to the utility and true up our cup permit? I mean, I'm I'm wondering I would just hate to see tens of thousands of gallons, then it causes discrepancy in permitted quantities. And if we're reusing our own water, even if we have

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to create a new thing at some small rate, we ought to be monitoring what that amount is. >> There are meters. Yeah, there are there are meters in place. >> Okay. So, we're at least we're metering it. >> Metering it. Yes. >> We just don't charge ourselves for it.

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>> Correct. >> Okay. So, are you saying we can pull this amount? >> Yes, you could pull that. And I believe like we allocated >> we probably >> I mean, I know it's robbing Peter to pay Paul, but if we're truly trying to

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account for what our costs are, [clears throat] we ought to be paying some rate per thousand gallons for public use. It'll be way better in the long run to put a well in and not mess with the seawater. That adds up in a hurry. If

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you're 100 gallons a minute for an hour at a time, you're looking at what's that 6,000 gallons >> I believe >> an hour. >> The idea behind it was to establish trees around the playground. So there's shade in the long run. Um either way,

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you're using enough for three houses with Okay. >> every irrigation cycle, I would think. It's fine. You want to keep it at a while? >> Yeah, I think we just leave it in there. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> And the next one was the trees for the

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park right? Did I miss one? >> The trees. >> Did I? >> Yes. This next one down. >> Maybe >> we skip one. >> No, the trees. trees is 5,000. We'll leave those in. >> We're leaving the irrigation and I guess we'll probably >> Yeah, we're leaving the irrigation in

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for the well, the 10,000 and then the next >> I think 5,000 is good for that. Yeah. >> Trees don't cost that much. Get 25 gallon oak trees and pop them in the ground. It's you can get a bunch of trees for $5,000. >> Okay. And then we're into paving, road paving.

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>> So that's done. There was just 22,000 extra dollars, right? The Waldo ALift is complete. Um, yes, that is 22,000 extra, but there are multiple other roads that uh are in need of it.

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>> So, we can throw that >> the proposed list >> into some Yeah. As we we get to a list, Allan put, you know, kind of a list of and there's other roads that we can throw that money at. So, we've got 22,000 that we can reallocate.

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That's it for the current projects. So, this next sheet was, you know, I asked staff just come up with ideas that you have, you know, and that have been given to you of what are some proposed

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projects. The first one I'll I'll So the first one is something interesting called abatesment abatements and I have $25,000. I asked uh the town attorney

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to look at our CRA plan and since it's for slum and blight, you know, we've got some properties around town that in fact he had suggested maybe rather than go down the foreclosure and how expensive that is, we could do a nuisance

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baitment. And so we would just have to budget the money. And so I'm going to ask him to bring you all up to speed on the research that we've done and how this fits nicely within CRA that we could budget 25,000 and then there's at least

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one project I want to start on and I think that there might be some more. So Mike, you want to give us a short summary of how this is it's new to CRA but it's something we definitely can pursue. >> Sure. Did did the U CRA council have an

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opportunity to review the memo yet or would you want me to >> I did >> get into that a little bit more? >> Um I think if you look at the image um that was provided with the house. >> Yeah, I actually then took a picture of and I think you're all familiar. It's Gladiololis and Spruce. We've been like

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four or five years trying to foreclose on it for different reasons. >> Um and no one would want to live next to that. I mean, it's right at Kitty Corner from one of our parks even. Um, so I thought this is a great one. I actually

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got a cost um for 7,500 to completely demolish it and clear it away. So it was kind of a test case. Mike, can we do this? Mike says, "Yep, we can do it. Bring it to the CR CRA. If we budget for it, then we can go down a nuisance abatement." But yeah, this this house

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here, the tree is nice, right? But the >> the property is It's not nice. >> Well, the tr I mean the bush or the whatever, but I mean and this has been sitting here like this. >> So, and and again, we've spent a lot of money, you know, with BERT and through the courts to get nowhere. So,

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>> yeah. And I'll just go up 80,000 ft. You have a situation where we have properties that may do not meet minimum housing code. That's chip paint, uh, gutters, things of that nature. when

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you have properties of this nature, this is beyond minimum housing. This is basically a public health, safety, and welfare issue. Um, and then we started looking at the funding for this and looking at the council actually funding some of this. Well, then the mayor said,

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"Well, what about the CRA?" And looked through the CRA plan and specifically you have adopted to fund code enforcement plans. Everything needs to be a plan to survive audit. Um, on this particular property, the council is a foreclosure. You did code enforcement.

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You have leans being assessed and rising, but we're going to spend $15,000 to foreclose the property. And then I'm going to come to you and say, you are the proud owners of this property. Oh, by the way, it has a nuisance on it. And now you're going to have to spend

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another 7500 to abate that nuisance because everybody would be coming in here for that. My suggestion is that identify these properties that are creating the blight. That's the overall standard of a CRA and abate those conditions for the economic development

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of property values. Use CRA funds to do so and handle it that way rather than trying to foreclose on these properties. Now, we have some nuances. Um, generally your council and your commissions hear the nuisance criteria. You hear the evidence. Is it a nuisance from the

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building official, fire marshal, and so forth? Under our code, it appears you have two paths and I think you can grant that authority by resolution to the magistrate. I'd like to talk to the magistrate first to see. They would hear the nuisance criteria.

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Does this property meet the nuisance? Yes. Go ahead and enter that order that is a nuisance and go ahead and start levying a fine per day to get some leverage there. And in the interim, we go ahead and bid out the project, see

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what it would cost to abate that condition, and bring that to the CRA to get authority to expend those funds to abate that condition. And um that would be the end of it. If need be, if the town council wanted [clears throat] to

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hear these cases, then we would just bring and present that to town council. Now, what we're not talking about is giving people paint and gutters and things of that nature to improve their properties in order to comply with the code. We're

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talking about those properties that have clearly gone beyond the economic return on investment. >> So to abate that property, I'm assuming means knocking it down. >> Correct. So in this process, is this

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seed money that we are then going to seek through fines and all that to recapture that so we can use it again? >> Yes. What would happen here is you would lean the property for the cost of the abatement. Right now you have ghost leans of fines and now we're going to

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spend another 15$20,000 on a foreclosure and I've just handed you deed to a piece of property with a nuisance on it that you have to spend another >> 7500. I would my recommendation >> shortcutting the process basically >> that's my recommendation and for the public health safety and welfare >> and we would hope that whatever the

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abatement was that lot then without set house becomes a marketable lot that we then sell >> and recapture all or most of the money we spent to abate it. >> You wouldn't own the lot through the abatement process. You would have a lean

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on it. But it does protect the neighbors. It starts increases economic value. you don't have children playing at it and possibly getting hurt, then if you decided to foreclose for whatever reason, then you could proceed under that. But, you know, I don't know if you

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want to spend two years in litigation and attempting to foreclose because a lot of these properties, the big issue is the parties, they just don't have the means to do so. >> But who owns the property after we knock it down and it's a just a piece of land. Who owns that property at that point?

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>> Same. They will they will maintain ownership of the real property, the dirt. >> Whomever owns it right now, >> right? Whoever owns it right now would maintain ownership. If we went through a foreclosure after a couple years of litigation, we would own both the dirt and the nuisance. Still have to abate

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the nuisance and go from there. I think the purpose of it is to enhance, get rid of the blight for economic development. Let's do that and then go from there. It may sell that way and then and collect your lean >> when they when they sell then they owe

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that correct >> abatement money correct to the talent back to us. Correct. Right. A >> lean and does our fines. So we'll just use this example goes in say we knock it down clean it up. It's now a vacant lot. It still belongs to the Smiths. If the

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Smiths decide to rebuild, does our code allow us to deny a building permit until the fines are paid? I'd have to research the code, but that would be a good idea to add some caveat there that the property would be

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brought into compliance. So, the leans would stop acrewing. The fine would um we could look at that and also address that as well. >> Do we continue to find them after the abatement or do you only finding them up to the abatement's completed? >> Up to the abatement's completed.

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So in a in a weird way, you almost want to be finding them for a while to build up enough of a so it's just not a couple hundred bucks worth of fines. It's now thousands or tens of thousands of dollars. >> Yeah. My my >> to incentivize us to get paid back so we

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can reuse that money >> to give you um some leverage and negotiating. Right. Right. because you're going to have your $7,500 in this case, let's say. Plus, if you had another five $7,000 in leans, then you

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have something to negotiate. I would never recommend unless there was good cause to reduce your lean to any hard cost you have. A lot of and the courts look at these code enforcement activities. When you start taking people's property, their real property foreclosure, the government does, the

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courts really look at these foreclosures. Number one, it's not a banking institution where somebody agreed to borrow money and it was a contract. This is a government applying a regulation and the government taking land through a foreclosure. And there's a lot of cases out there if you don't

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have your notice right, you didn't notice the right people, you didn't give the right hearings, they get set aside. My view is when you're baiting a nuisance, you show this photograph of circuit court later on and you basically abaded the condition for the public health, safety, and welfare for $7,500.

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you want to take an advantage trying to take somebody's land. Your your your goal in my view from a public policy stand. >> You're going to get at least that money back. >> That's that's the way I look at it. >> Okay. Now, I just want to make sure I understood. >> I can tell we're getting hung up on this, but they can't get a loan on the

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property to build a house with a lean on it. So, they're handicapped there to start. This needs to stay with the magistrate. It does need to come through us because he will handle it the whole way through. And these people, even if we get the property straight for them, are not going to mow and maintain it. So, it's going to continue to be a nuisance. and it'll come back to the master again

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with the not mowing it and taking care of it. So, it needs to stay with them as much as possible unless it has to come to us. That way, it's on his plate the whole time and I think it keeps it clean for him. He he's magistrate will be aware of what's happening whoever that is at the time.

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>> Agreed. And what I'm seeing in in the courts in in recent years, and I would make the argument as well, you have a piece of property, a lot, vacant lot mowing, and you have a half a million dollar lean on it. You you start pushing against the ETH amendment, you know,

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takings, un unjustified fines, unjustified prison sentences, things of that nature. So when you start owing half a million dollars on a $10,000 lot, it it it does bounce up against the constitution. The

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recommendation often is lean should not be too much greater than the value of the land and then the government needs to do something about the violation. You know, you don't want to see people owing thousands of dollars for parking a car on a sidewalk. We need to address that

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parking on the sidewalk somehow someway. And I do agree if we keep this with the magistrate and I would probably recommend some of our like SER they have a great mowing high grass nuisance abatement they have a contractor that

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takes care of it grass and weeds are kept down it's 25 $30 a mow it gets lean the folks pay for it and into and to Councilman Sep's point of view you're right the lean will prevent probably funding on that so somehow they have to

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negotiate with us to get it down >> and the goal is to get an owner who will take care of the property. So, if you have a half million dollar lean and the guy wants to sell it to somebody, the town would more than likely release a lean to put another owner in there. They're not tied to a half million dollars if if it ever reached that hypothetical point. It's just a a tool

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to get a different owner who will maintain the property and and make the neighbors happy around. So, >> it's all workable. >> So, is this enough money for you all to get started? >> I think it's enough to get started. And just on this property, a kind of an additional twist is this property a

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couple times has gone under tax sale, right? So, they're not paying their property taxes. It goes out, somebody um you know, puts whatever the terminology that they have on it. They probably come and look at the property and go, "Nope, not interested." Um so, it is

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interesting how that there have been tax deeds on this almost every two years. So if it gets cleared, it may actually sell and that would So this was a I think 25,000. If it takes 7500 to knock that down, that's great. It also starts sending messages to other people that

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aren't upkeeping their property. There's other lots that are the mowing and there's tires dumped on them and things like that that we could use, you know, some money for, but there you're probably talking under $1,000. So Okay.

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Um and then the next one um is like and the and these are ideas. All right. So there's nothing set in stone. This is just a tornado siren warning. We don't have anything in the town now. So um we've talked about in the past Deain Park restrooms. We're kind of we we have the plans from the Steuart Park

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restrooms. Um I think we're estimating 70,000 could be less could be right around there. So just want to throw that out. >> In favor of the big park restrooms. I'm not too keen on tornado deal. But where where would they be located? The Devain Park restrooms.

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>> So, we don't have a definitive. We'd come back to you with that. We have had the discussion. In fact, Brandon's here and uh we've talked about, okay, where's the sewer line coming through and it seems like with without committing to it, it's more feasible somewhere closer to the green dragon. I I don't like

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where the old where the car show had their um portaotties. They were like directly as you come down, that's the first thing you see, you know, coming into town. didn't like that at all. So maybe somewhere over there, you know, so that we can take advantage of the sewer

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lines already there, but yet cosmetically, you know, aesthetically um hidden. I actually wanted it on the other side, but then the sewer line isn't there. So let it if you give us the budget, we'll come back with exactly where that would be.

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Okay. So, and and on some of these is we can put them on the 10-year plan, right? We can put them as something in the future just to kind of hold that thought never moving and versus moving forward. Um Allan, you had Main Street uh Main

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Avenue irrigation improvements and residing. And you know what I'll do is I'll let you all take a look at this list and is there anything that piques your interest to bring it forward? um versus others we'll just keep on a list and maybe move them to a 10-year

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thought. >> I'll just say in uh the Devain Park restrooms I modeled that off the price off of in 2016 we paid 54 56,000 for the one at Steuart Park. I know there was one more recently built at Lake June,

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but in our system I wasn't sure who did the construction and I don't know what the more current number is. >> Like that idea a lot. Yeah. Okay. >> I like spending money on the irrigation and residing on Maine where it needs it.

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>> I like the idea of doing some improved lighting on Maine, you know. >> Yeah. That like when you start to get south on Maine, it's it gets pretty dark. >> I know. >> And you can see Council Member Royce, he already has your decorative lighting

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over Steuart Park. So, >> we want [laughter] you Another 80. >> We can take that out. >> Yeah, that that was 80,000 because I wasn't sure what style if you just wanted the poles or if you wanted decorative lighting like around. So, uh

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that that number could be brought down to what you said earlier. >> So, why why would the town put school zone flashing signals? Why wouldn't the county or the schools do that? I had a problem with that when I first got on town council with the town having

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to pay for crossing guards. Those are for actual town kids that are in town. The town should not have had to pay for Green Dragon. That infuriated me because everybody uses that. But the crossing guards are mostly for kids who walk up and downtown. So, I got shut down on any

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arguments I had against that. So, we're probably going to have to eat that one either way. I agree with you. The school boards have to pay for that or contribute. And they may, but uh with everyone fighting for money, I don't really see that happening. So, the locations for those two, there was just signs sitting there now that

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are outdated time frames on them. And the police have approached me several years uh for several years about getting those signs there because if you come from that direction, you're already in

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between the other flashing lights. We we maintained the two on green dragon. Uh I was this was just kind of something that was in the back of my mind that had been mentioned to me in the past. >> What about trying to do something on the other side where the railroad tracks are where

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where uh was it East Lake comes across? I know we've talked about in the past. >> It'd be a tough spot to that's even in the CRA. It's on the south side of town >> on the back side of the uh little >> field. They just put in the track and field area >> where the wire is.

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>> Half the kids from school go that way. Not half, but a good portion go that way and they just they're just cut loose in the railroad tracks and cars crossing. It's pretty crazy street right there. >> Mhm. >> And it was a lot to put a crossing guard there. It'd be just too much, I think. But be nice to have some kind of push a button, flashlights, have the kids stop

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somehow, have the car stop somehow. It It'd be It's really hard to do. I don't know how we do it, but it's something to be considered somehow. >> Yeah, I know. I know like like you say the boundaries are right in that area. I'm not sure exactly where you're talking about but I know Marquada is out

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of it >> right there where Marquada comes out on East Lake. You'd have to make that left or cut straight across there. It almost split. Go behind Mikey's place there. The >> other place we've had a problem with. I guess

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>> the other beautifification exit. Yeah. Exhibit >> by your brother's place there where Steve just moved in along that area. Yeah, I mean I I guess not to belabor. That's why using the magistrate always worries me because we aren't having any success with the nuisance there. >> I thought we were, but I I haven't kept

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up with it. I don't know. >> It was, but it's not >> the other one. Yeah, it's >> it's a sore spot. That's a different issue. >> Yep. >> Let's move on. right there at the and then the Spruce Park is that's the little pocket park right

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three three lots away from this um house that we want to bait and and it's pretty rundown equipment and they get they do use it a lot and that's another one during the playground inspection said you know replace it as soon as possible >> this this money wasn't going to be for

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one full structure. We were going to do like a lot of smaller pieces, balance beams and things to climb on. Generally cost about4 to $7,000 per piece of equipment. And the children

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have uh repeatedly asked for something other than swings because it's a standard set of swings there. A T- swing that was removed from Lake June Park years ago and then placed there and a set of monkey bars that are probably from the 60s. It's It's like the

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leftover used. Repurpose it. Don't get rid of it, but move it to that area. >> That's okay as long as it works. Doesn't matter. They just need good equipment there. And I I I'm all about playgrounds. I think it's a good thing. So, if that's enough, not enough. Sounds like there's money to add to it if we

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need to. And if you think 35 is good for now, we can roll with that and adjust it, I think, down the road if we need to. >> Yeah, because that's another one. We can go to RPAC. We can get two from RPAC. We haven't asked ARPAC for much >> and this is still just a wish list. So, we're just >> spinning our wheel.

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>> That's exactly because what we'll do is we'll go back and throw it all together and see where we're at. Okay. And anything else? And then of of course Allan has a lot of paving, right? There's a lot of paving um that needs to be done.

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>> We definitely should do Hillcrest. >> Okay. That's a well used >> the sidewalk replacement in front of the old town hall and the side lot. >> We'll probably have to find out. Is that

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county right away? It's in the CRA district, but it's probably just on the other side of, you know, Inner Lake being around the circle. I don't know if that is theirs to replace or if that's if that's on us.

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Can you follow up on that then? >> Yes. Yeah, I can speak with the >> because that is getting a little rough there. >> That's going to be by the dog park, right? >> Yeah. And it's and actually almost to the library, too. It's kind of that whole little strip has some broken and uneven,

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>> you know, sidewalk. >> I know. Yeah. I know. when they had uh redone the park years back, they had made like there's almost one section where there's a crosswalk, but then it just dead ends in front of the medical uh offices. So, that's why I wasn't sure

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why that was even there unless someone was intending to extend on it, but it just never happened. So, I believe there's supposed to be a sidewalk going around the outer perimeter uh all the way around that park. So, speaking of the dog park, why is the

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dog park not in this year's CRA budget? >> Because it's it should be on here. Did we skip it over? It's it's somewhere on what we just went through. >> It's >> we had taken it from before and we had 20,000 allocated.

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>> I didn't remember seeing it. Well, as you say that, I'm thinking it too because did we combine it with something? >> It's somewhere in here because I made a note on it because it's $100,000 for a dog park. >> No, it's 20. >> I thought it was 100. >> There was another spot there was 100 again.

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>> I thought it's 70 or 80 for the dog park. 20 to get it started and see how it went like on a three-month trial or something. It seems like there was something. >> The plan was 20 because it's going to be a fence, a drinking fountain, and a couple benches. >> I saw a fence. That's why I said >> a lot of crazy stuff that

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>> I I think what happened is we pulled it from a bigger budget. So there might have been a 70,000 for something and we pulled 20 out of it. But >> it needs to be in in the CRA budget. >> It and it and it is somewhere at least

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we're we're clipping along at 20,000 budget. The um the fence went out to bid. Uh we should be getting that in another 10 days and then we'll know how much we need. But but really it's going to be the fencing. It'll be a water fountain, you know, um picnic tables.

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So, it's not >> I think we need to do parking there of some sort. It's not fair to put that on the insurance company next door or expect the people using it to walk from the library. They're not going to do that. I think it's going to be a nuisance for the neighbor there. So, something to consider be putting parking

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little sidewalk walking into it or something to make it a one-stop place instead of having to split and share. And I think parking will be an issue if people will actually use it. >> So, so the thinking and we've already talked to First Insurance because just to make them aware that is not planned

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that people will park there is the basketball court because most are coming to exercise their dogs anyways and and a lot actually are exercising their dog on leash inside of Deain Park. So, it would be the basketball court, follow the sidewalk and then off leash into the dog

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park. >> Here we have right here. >> Did you find it? I'm on page 22 of the of the town budget on town general fund. It says splash pad dog park and it says

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I believe it's in 2026 because the the year numbers were off the top and it's 100,000 there and 100,000 in 27. What what are you on the uh you're on the CIP?

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>> You're on the fiveyear CIP. Does it say where the funding's coming from? Because the dog park was CRA. We We just need >> We need adjustment. >> We We have it somewhere. I mean, it is CRA and it was And it was pulling money from >> I know it's right there.

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>> What What page is that? >> Does there's 100,000 there capital? >> Yeah, it's a capital improvement. Does it say where that funding is coming from for that? >> That's kind of the big >> general fund. Yeah, that says town says

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town general fund. That's what it says. >> Go ahead, Eva. Did you find it? >> So, I think the CIP um the one that was adopted, the dog park was taken off of. We just used the spreadsheet. We didn't take the dog park wording off. When you

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approved the CIP, you approved taking that dog park wording off. It's just not reflecting it there. So, it is not on the CIP currently, >> but it is in the CRA somewhere. >> It's in the CRA somewhere. I just >> Maybe my spreadsheet didn't filter

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through properly. I'm not sure. >> It's also on page 26. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. >> That that's an error. That was not the one that is adopted. >> The budget for dog park that we're working from CRA is 20,000. It was pulled from another project.

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>> Yes. >> Six months ago. Four. four months ago. >> So that should say splash pad and not dog park. >> Correct. Correct. >> The CIP. >> The CIP. >> The one that Yeah. Right. >> So the one that got adopted, I think

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that was the spreadsheet we had after you made a motion to adopt the CIP. I removed it. So on the ordinance, you see it removed with the backup. That spreadsheet we pulled is accurate, but the wording wasn't removed.

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So, we have $200,000 over a two-year period for a splash pad. >> Yeah, that's that's >> But when we do the CIP, we can change all that. That was what was submitted, right? Okay. >> And I think again it was supposed to be

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splashpad playground. It was like combos of them things. >> Good. >> Okay. Anything more on CRA projects? >> Any other ideas? Okay.

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>> So, I think you've given us enough direction, which is good, and we'll pull that together and see where we are. Um, I'm going to go ahead unless there's any other comments. I'm going to close the CRA meeting. And so, at 6:42,

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I call this meeting adjourned. So now we'll just go ahead and roll into the budget workshop. Okay. I am going to now call to order uh the 2025 26 27 budget workshop on August

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6 and at 6:42 p.m. >> Eva, can you call the role, please? >> Mayor Charles >> here. >> Council member Royce >> here. >> Council member Hayes >> here. >> Council member Sap >> here. >> Council member Everart.

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Okay. So, um what we're going to do is we're going to pick up on um some of the items that we didn't get to at the last workshop. And actually, I think we're going to be able to clip through this. And I think we feel there probably no need

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for a third budget workshop. We'll go back and pull the numbers together. And um and actually you'll see on Monday's agenda I just put any budget changes because as we go away for the weekend as you talk to people over the next course

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somebody may come back with another something we can talk about it then Monday. Um and our plan is the first and the second meeting in September when we will do the readings for the budget. So we have some time to do some tweaks, you know, as seed fit and even uh bring them

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up at the first two meetings in August. So um I think we're going to flip around this agenda if that's okay because I've asked Dana to come and to talk about on the

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planning and that's um page four and five. What's interesting is, and you'll see this is revenue, right? These fees are revenue to the town. And over the years, there's been areas that we haven't collected revenue that we should. And so um that's when we put

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together, and I do need to back up, is um over the last couple um budget cycles, council member Hayes, as you'll remember, Eva was putting together a budget fee booklet, and we had workshops and we just never got it over the finish

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line. Um throughout our um MUN code we have fees that are embedded in the MUN code which means if we want to change those fees we have to have an ordinance we have to have first and second reading. We have other fees that we just adopt through resolutions. So, what the

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idea here and the plan is pulling all these fees together to where we approve them and then asking our town attorney, which he's already working on, then to pull together an ordinance that will allow these to move to a resolution in

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the future. So, that'll allow us every year during budget to set the fees versus going to first and second reading. So, that's the plan. Um, and this is the first, if you will, cut at, you know, what we're recommending, what the current fee is, and what we're me

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what we are recommending for the proposed. Of course, we can change the proposed however you want. We're here to answer any questions, but then going forward, it'll make the process a lot easier. So, with that, I've asked Dana because you'll see Dana has a lot in the

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zoning area for us, not as much the building area for Highlands County. We've never charged fees before, but we can. And to be consistent with, you know, that opportunity as we're looking for revenue. Here's areas. >> So I, Madame May, I look through all

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these. To me, the fees for the most part all seem fine. The the rentals are all fine. Are we going to be doing more of this work versus farming it out to Highlands County, or are we already doing it and not charging? >> We're already doing it and not charging.

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>> Okay. So my my main question on page five, I just want to make sure I understand under site plans and landscaping where it's $500. I don't have any problem with the application fee. $500 a sheet. I don't know, pardon my ignorance. I don't know whether or not

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people turn in two sheets or 20 sheets. I mean, that seems to be the new big increases per sheet. >> Yes. So, we are severely undercharging for commercial site plan review and platting review. Um, and so Highlands

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County charges $500 per sheet. So, it's on par with what Highlands County does. Some would say that they're undercharging as well compared to other larger counties. >> Okay. So, we aren't what we're charging for is not an addition to Highlands

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County. I mean it's in substitute or we're not we're not an applicant's not being double hit by both us and Highlands County. >> Correct. >> Okay. Thank you. I said we've doubled the large scale and increase substantially the small scale

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comprehensive plan amendments on here. Does that match what the county does? Went to $3,000 from$,550 on the large scale. >> Yes, it does. >> Under improvement plans. That's We're not doing any more than the county does. >> Correct. >> And 800 for the driveway permits. as soon as they charge good. I just didn't

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want to be excessive or >> there are >> there are just a few things that might have been a little bit higher than the county like we are actually charging for an exemption from the commercial site plan review. We charge for half an hour

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of our time. Um because that's something that for some reason the county doesn't charge for and >> that sounds reasonable. Yeah, we did it based anything that the county didn't already have a fee for, we calculated

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based on our time that we spend on these things. >> And and this fee money goes to the town or does it go to your company? >> To the town. >> Yeah, she's contracted. >> I know she's contracted >> because she build >> I know.

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>> Yeah, she's going to build she's going to turn around and build the town for it. How much of that net is going to come to us? The whole thing? >> No. The whole thing's come to us for what she does. So, it's a whole separate issue. >> Oh, no. There's No, it's not a separate issue. There's still a net here. >> No, no, no, not at all. Is Dana's budget

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as we're paying her is doing this already is we just have never gone and build the people. So, the people will build and it will come back to Rachel. It won't go to Dana. It will go to Rachel. >> Dana is not going to build the town 3,000 for these. The town builds this and then Dana builds this for the time.

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Is that correct? For the time you have in it. >> Correct. So just to make a slight distinction. So I charge a flat rate flat rate to the town. In the past 12 months that we've been under this agreement, I have not charged the town

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any additional monies for my services. Although there's provisions in my contract that if I'm going above and beyond, I can. I do go above and beyond. Um right now I'm working on fiber permits that are not traditionally handled by planning staff, but I'm more than happy to pitch in where I can. Um,

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areas where I would charge more would be things where I have to bring in other subcontractors for where I'm working far beyond >> 50 hours a week. >> Sure. >> Um, there is I do have um a partner that

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I work with who's a subcontractor and he's also been agreed to as part of my contract with the town. He handles things that are again out of my traditional purview but would usually be

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handled by uh like a engineer because the code calls for certain things to be um done by someone with engineering experience. >> So that entity to to this date has not

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charged more than $2,000 per month to the town. They charge a rate of $125 an hour and it is for items like you're talking about on page five under improvement plans. Um well even then so

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like zoning would go to me small scale and but we're talking about driveways like I I could not do a driveway inspection or tell someone what the grade would be. >> Um so he works on things like that. Okay. So just to be clear on how

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my finances are transa transacted. >> But to the question, you would expect that the fees we're going to charge would more than cover the costs we might incur from Mr. Kennedy. >> Yes, there's some things that Mr. Kennedy does that still falls outside of

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these fees. But yes, these should cover if there's a driveway permit, it will cover the cost of his inspections, review of the permit, issuance of the permit, and things like that. >> Can can you for my ignorance explain to me the difference between large scale

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and small scale um plan, comprehensive plans? >> Yes. So Florida statute um delineates it's actually a little bit more of a gray area but for the sake of this conversation it's anything under 50 acres is a small scale above 50 acres

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and with good reason is a large scale and they have different standard of review at the state. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> So any other questions for Dana? >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. Now, I'm now I'm going to

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keep skipping around because Brandon's here. So, Brandon Roberts is popped in from the sewer plant. There's a Oh, I'm sorry. >> I'm sorry. I just had one more question, Mr. Mayor. I'm sorry. Um, we had under this sign permits, a traditional

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district sign was $50. Is that per sign? >> And now, permit permit. And the permit would give you how many signs? >> As many signs as needed for the project. >> Okay. And public event sign permits? $15, same thing. However many signs you want.

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>> Uh, yes, that's handled by the police chief. That's something I suggested. I'm not sure if he has other thoughts on that, but it usually only takes 15 minutes to review that permit. So, that's why I said $15. It's a nominal fee. >> Okay. All right. Thank you. Sorry.

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>> That's okay. So, um, just Brandon's going to go through the utility budget. Uh, the loop did approve it on Tuesday. Um, he's then heading back over to the plant. He's probably more interested on what's going on with the plant right now, but you know, we're trying to get

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that live. So, I told him we'd move him up and he could give his little pitch and then if there's any questions you have for him. If not, he'll head back over there and work some long hours tonight. So, we're going to go to the utilities, which is

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page 13. >> 13. I got it. >> Actually, they did such a good job, the new loop committee. Nobody asked a question. So, >> I expect the same here. >> I heard it was a three and a half hour

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long meeting. >> Look at him. He's in the question chair. [laughter] >> I don't have any questions. >> That's because Bert was on there now. >> Yeah, it would have [laughter] gone away. >> That's right. >> That's what my little birdie told me. But >> yeah, me too. I heard the same bird. [laughter]

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All right. I I appreciate the time uh real quick if I'm if I may. Um I I want to just take for myself just to take a a brief second just to say uh thank you to the council and to everybody. um June

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and July on my schedule is very busy uh with the stuff that I do outside of work uh pastoring in missionaries stuff like that and uh the town's been very patient and lenient as I travel back and forth

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and uh I've worked a lot in hotels and and you name it to to see this thing through and I just I wanted to let y'all know I appreciate y'all being uh patient with me and Uh, and I wish I could say June and July next year will be lighter,

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but that's unfortunately the the the part of the other side of the business for me. But I do just want to say thank you for being patient and uh I don't take it for granted. But getting back on to this, I I sat down and went over the the budget and uh there was just a few

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few things that really caught my eye. Uh our um distribution, repair, and maintenance. We we were over 250% 251% and so we we uh it had 15,000 in it and

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we've had a lot of repairs and so I moved that up to $35,000. Um vehicle repairs. Uh unfortunately uh we've had we bought two vehicles. both of those vehicles, they were used

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went into the shop for repairs. And so that went up over budget just a little bit. So every just about every line item that I looked at, I looked at our previous budget and then I said, you know what, if it was over, that's when I started making the adjustments. But uh a

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few of our vehicles made uh decided to be bumper cars, so we had to get them repaired and fixed. And so I I hope that it's not going to have that problem this year. So I moved it up to 15,000. If you scroll down to 644

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new equipment, um we uh put in for a new frontend loader. We're going to it's 100,000. Uh it's something Allan and I through the departments will split the the cost.

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It's something we we need as a town with an extended boom to make if we have a water line or sewer line that's deep, we need to be able to get down to it. And with an extension boom on in [snorts] the rubber tire, we're able to clear roads, this that and the other. Makes it

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a whole lot easier. And then also, uh, I got another vehicle for that's coming up here. It's $25,000. And um and I hopefully I can find something that we can get around and

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it'll be used. Uh skip it over and if I'm y'all want to mention anything just Well, that's that's the water side. So, let me jump into Yeah, hold on. I might have lied to you. All right, here we go. And so, uh, for

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the repair and maintenance, uh, is we were over 361. And so, um, I put in $25,000 for that. So, let me get over to six or 464.

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Uh, the gravity lift station pumps. We have a lot of two horse pumps that we use um in our system as as of to date and we constantly pull them out uh and

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try to derag them, fix them and all but it's time that uh I like to keep 10 on hand and we do we do that. We keep at least 10 on hand and in the past week we've replaced two. I've got two on order waiting for a PO. So, uh, that's

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why you see the price on on them. Um, I'm sorry, I'm I'm looking at something different. Uh, no, that's correct. I'm sorry. Um, and then also, if you look at U 520,

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it says operating supplies with our new wastewater facility. Um, even though it didn't go over too much in budget, I moved it up to $20,000 because since we've had the plant online, we've already went through uh one PLC card before the plant was even

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turned over to us, which controls our data system. And without that communication, we're dead in the water. So, having those cards on hand just to plug and play, that's why that's in there. Just a couple more sludge hauling since

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we shut down the south plant. Um we should that should lower but it's still at 40,000. So hopefully that that'll that'll lower. And then also uh chemicals that may lower because the

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south plant is not online anymore. Um so that might be uh a little cost savings to us, but it's still in there. Uh and then 644, new equipment, and this is for the

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wastewater treatment facility. We we need another lawnmower. And then a tractor to till the ponds. The the one we have, it's it's about to give up the ghost. Uh and it's barely it's in and out of the shop

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all the time. And so with that, I think that's it. Is there any other y'all have any questions for me? >> Well, that was easy. >> I got okay on here. I'm good. >> We got all Okay.

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>> Back to the plant. >> I'm sorry. >> Back to the plant. >> Back to the plant. All right. Thank you. >> Thanks, Brandon, so much. Okay. Now, will go back to the fees. >> Appreciate

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everybody's patience there. Um, okay. We'll go to page three. We'll just kind of clip through the fees now. Is um so the business tax receipt is $35. Um, I thought we could there was like a

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a law that you can increase it 5% which would be a $1.75, but um Rachel basically um corrected me that we won't even go into it. It's like a 1971 law, something we should have done

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and bringing it forward and it's like bottom line the proposed fees is a carryover $35. We'll leave it like that. We are looking at the overall business tax receipt process and how that's being done. >> So, we're not going to move that. >> We're not going to move it. Business tax

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will say $35. And then we had um I had tied peddler's permit to be peddler's permit today is 25. What we would recommend is move it to 35. So, keep business tax receipt and peddler's permit would be the same.

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The municipal lean research request is $25 for a standard that needs to go to 75. It's very competitive. Um, a lot of a lot of people ask us to do probably a lot more that the, you know, the realators could

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be doing. Um, and then the second is the a larger a special search for minmissan uh would be 55 going to 100. And I think Rachel we said that's competitive with what the city the other cities are doing. So this would be business tax

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receipt at 35 municipal lean at 75 municipal a special one at 100 peddlers permit at 35 and then flea market which we want to change to markets right that would be you know um call it the uh

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farmers market things like that. So markets would go from $10 to $15. That's for the market itself, not for each individual. >> No, that's for each individual that Yeah. They need to basically the same with peddlers. If they come and they set up a tent, you know, whether it's a

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Christmas market that somebody has or the journal market, uh the the journal plaza for the farmers market. Um a lot of this hasn't been done. And so what we'll work on because there's going to be, you know, emotions. Anytime you do this, there's going to be emotions. But

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um every one of those vendors set up in the farmers market should be paying a a um a market >> a vendor >> fee. >> So at Journal Plaza they charge their vendors a fee and then we they get a

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permit from us for 10 or 15 bucks that they have to have in order to do business on the private property. So yes, and we'll work on the process because in some cases we could do the organizer of that event could be individually charging. So the same thing

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with the caladium festival all of those at the because we have a what do you want to say? Um in our or in our in our code it does say for larger events and festivals that the organizer of that

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then can collect the fee and then would give that to us. So is it per I'm sorry. Is it per occurrence? >> It and actually it's if that vendor like at the Journal Plaza is there all year. It's the one time. It's not per

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>> So if I'm selling Royce's pastries and I sign up at the Journal Plaza, do I pay 10 or 15 bucks once for the whole season I'm doing it or for every Sat? Once for every Saturday? >> Once a year. We say once a year. Yeah. And then you know and and ideally and again we'll work on the process but we

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would give them something and they can then hang it so they've paid their fee. >> Okay. >> But for like the but for like the festival there's let's say 125 vendors then the chamber should be charging each vendor and then the chamber should um

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125 time 15 back to the town. >> That's how the process should work. >> Should work. Yes. Unless they've paid somewhere else already, right? Exactly. Regardless of the event. >> Yes. So if somebody comes from the farmers market and they've already paid theirs and they come over. So

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>> imagine a year's worth of being. >> So So this is getting the fees straight and then we're working on the process. Okay. Because in some cases there's going to be emotions because it's something they haven't done before. But more fees that should be coming to the town. >> Okay. >> Then enforcement and fines. What happens

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if they don't do it? >> Yeah. That'll be the >> That'll be part of the process, right? >> We just like burn their tent down or what do we do [laughter] >> now? Now, >> okay. And then um under police services is if it's a and we'll call it a foot

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race. U but this is typically the it's going to say the same $200. And then if there's some event and and these are all on kind of the registration form when they come in. So, these would be just they ticket and these would be the costs that they would pay.

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>> Chief, what does the sheriff's office charge for special events uh for overtime? >> Currently, they're charging 65 an hour. >> I'm not mistaken. >> 65. We're at 55.

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>> Typically on wages and benefits. So, ours is a little lower wages. I mean, we can we can up it. That this is to you all. What do we want to do? We just kept it at covering our cost for it, not making a profit. >> Okay. >> Are the I'm sorry. Are these two

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different things this a 5K they pay $200 and it covers the whole 5K? Three or four? >> They would still have to pay for the officers. The $200 is paying for the permitting and the work that has to go into filling out all the permitting and everything for it. >> Closing roads

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>> then. So, it's $200 to get in the game. >> Yes. Yes. And then $55 >> per hour per officer. >> And does the is that 55 per hour or per event? >> Per hour per officer.

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>> So if we have four officers that work four hours, then that's 220 time four then. >> Yes. >> Okay. Okay. Good deal. >> Okay. Okay. Um, next pages is zoning and planning. We can skip through those real

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quick and then we'll come up to cemetery. Um, interesting to note is the cemetery fees have not been changed in over 15 years. So Alan and I sat down and said, "Okay, we need to bring, you know, our

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costs have increased in that." So this is pretty much straightforward is what the current fees are and some modest increase of the proposed fees. We tried not to go over 10%. Just kind of um move it up. >> Yeah, I have no problem with that at all. I know we had a problem earlier a

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while back with not charging enough for vases and other issues with this will cover that enough. >> Yeah, that's down here. These vases went up quite a significantly from 300 to 400 and 150 to 250. >> We just need to cover ourselves and it

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>> then that's what this is doing. Just covering ourselves. Can u you help me understand what is perpetual care? >> It's a onetime fee that everyone pays for maintenance of the grounds and uh

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irrigation upkeep and basically trimming of the bushes and trees that the town owns. >> So you pay it once. It's not per year per plot. It's one time. >> Correct. >> Right. When you buy the lot, you put it in. It goes into a trust fund.

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>> Thank you. So the way it works now, Alan, it used to be you bought a plot. We don't sell the plot anymore. Give anyone a deed. You just have a burial right for a certain You get to be buried under this location. The land still

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belongs to the town of Lake Placid. It's not like it used to be where Ray Royce bought that set of dirt and it was mine. Right. >> Correct. >> Okay. Do we still have a lot of the cemetery where people own their plots?

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>> I would probably venture to say everything from the gate to the mausoleum in the old section. >> Those are individ what we're doing what we've switched over to is burial rights. >> Correct. >> Okay. Good. Thanks. >> Okay. Good. Here. >> Yep. >> Okay. Next one. I don't think you want

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to spend a lot of time because it's cents and pennies. It's but this is uh public records. So this is where and we're going to be coming forward with a whole ordinance on the public records, right? Eva, >> there'll be a resolution. >> There'll be a resolution on that. But

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these are the fees um that we're recommending that we charge. Now, we haven't really been charging fees. It's been kind of a courtesy for the town, but yet when we have a very large, which we've had a couple, then these are the fees that we would charge. So, just so

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I'm reading this correctly, um, this says the first five pages of a record request annually. So, you only get five pages free in a year. It says each one-sided page black and

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white for up to 18 and a half by 14 after the first five pages of a record request annually. So after the first five pages that you get January 2nd, you are paying for all of your pages from then on.

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>> So I pulled this from another municipality. So let me double check that one. I miss >> that thing. [laughter] She she just said she pulled it from somebody else. So she's gonna go I went and researched very minipalities. So >> maybe that's the courtesy

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five is a courtesy. You want more. >> You get the courtesy one time in your life [laughter] over that year. >> What what I can say is very seldom anymore am I printing paper for anyone. So most of our stuff is going to be

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moving to laser fish anyway. and a lot of the stuff I have scanned already. Um, so paper is going to be out, but I'll review that and make sure before it comes within that resolution that we're working on for uh, public records policy.

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>> So if we just said um, once I just take the word annually out of there, I think it would >> take that out. I think that's a typo myself. So that comes out of the first four, five, six, seven things, eight, [laughter and clears throat]

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>> all those. Okay. Next one is kind of a change we've evolved to. So for council member Royce and um SAP is the building along with the kitchen used

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to be rented out weddings, funerals, Christmas parties, everything. And it kind of got a little out of control with decorations with um let's just say damage to the facility

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and that. And so last year at the council when this came up and was brought forward, we made the decision um no more events. And so that's worked out well. And what I'm evolving it here is to meetings only

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during the week 8 to 5. So the the top two are for the community center and renting this chamber. And then I just put the county, you know, has their, you know, the egg center um has different costs, but I just added

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three comparable ones of Lorita Community Center, HL Bishop Park across the way, and Venus. And so the bottom half of this is exactly what the county's charging to use their facilities, recognizing if it's a government entity, it's free of charge.

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No charge for government entities. Um, and this excludes the kitchen. I mean, we've got a whole commercial kitchen with a six burner gas stove that we that's going to be a whole another discussion because there's, you know, there's call it um just safety issues.

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We have to pay to get that inspected every year. It's like it's a huge commercial kitchen that we don't even use. We're not opposed to people bringing in box lunches or bringing in a potluck or something like that, but we are opposed to this building being used.

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And I'm opposed after hours. It's not like it's a separate building we can rent out. It's our business office with all of our business records. And when you have people coming in over the weekend and nobody here, we we you know, we we can remotely unlock the door, but

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then they keep the doors open. They've been turning the air conditioning down to 65 even though it's locked. Um they have ruined the carpet. There's different things. And nobody's here. I mean, I was working one weekend, Rachel and I, and there was a funeral and they were well over capacity. They brought in

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food trucks and were like, "What is going on?" So, I'm uncomfortable having people, non-government employees, and but people outside of working hours have access to this building. And so, what this recommendation is is to move

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forward and to um rent the community center room. in this chambers 8 to 6:00 p.m. you know, Monday through Friday, no weekends. $150 would be the deposit. $100 for the

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meet and $150 is what we use for the deposit today. So, that's not changing even though it's higher than what the county's doing. And then we would um charge $100 um regardless of if it's a private educational nonprofit, it would be $100 the same as what the county

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does. If it's a government entity, it's free of charge like we do now. And then if that meeting did run over, you know, we'd have somebody here, but same as the county, we charge $25 an hour. And then we would charge a

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cleaning fee if necessary, which we've had to do. I mean, there was a couple deposits we had to keep. It wasn't enough for the damages that was being done. So, this would be the community center and the chamber council only for meetings. no kitchen appliances or

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equipment um or equipment rental. Um and like I said is we're open to food. You know, people want to bring in donuts and coffee and things like uh or even a potluck which some of the um organizations have been doing. So that's what the proposal is here uh for

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comments discussion concerns. >> I have a couple examples. I just want to get please. So I assume homeowners association they pay a h 100red bucks in the >> during the week >> the Lake June point or the waters edge homeowners association wants to have

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them pay 100 bucks have to do it Monday through Friday. >> Yes. >> Okay. I'm attached to a couple things. Leadership highlands they want to come eat lunch here. That's still a meeting. They can bring in the lunches. >> Farm Bureau can even cook a steak on a

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grill outside. They just can't use our stuff. Right. still works. >> Well, we didn't go that far, but that's what you want. That's >> I mean, is that that would be the scenario that you all would think would work right? >> I didn't know the Farm Bureau cooks a steak outside, but do they do this

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Monday through Friday? >> I think that'd be fine. I don't with that. You're not using the kitchen. You're still bringing food in from the outside. You don't have 10 food trucks out there. >> The um Citrus Commission, CRDF, I mean, they've had a bunch of meetings here. They

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probably bring in lunch. Again, they're a public entity. They can still pay the hundred bucks, have a meeting here, bring in lunch from outside. Right. >> And if they're government I think are they governmental? If they're governmental, there's no charge. If they're government, >> is that the egg group that they they go

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from the ones that go from town to town and then they come here and they eat their lunch here and then they >> That's leadership. That's leadership. Okay. >> I mean, the $100 I don't care about the $100. That's I just want I want to make sure that how strict we're having on meetings because some of these things

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>> it's isn't strictly a meeting. It's a little bit of they've come in, they use the restrooms, they they eat a meal. In the case of Leadership Highlands, the Cattleman's Association or Farm Bureau come and cook steaks for 25 30 people. That's still all works.

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>> Is that a meeting? I mean, if they call it a meeting, if they you know, then yes. >> Okay. you know, and and it's not going to include decorations on the walls and things like that. I mean, we have some that like to come in and they decorate it all because we still are conducting business. We've got people coming in the

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front. They're conducting their business at the uh windows and that. And so, you know, we're we're moving towards business, business meeting. If it's a lunch business meeting, that's fine. We're just getting out of the wedding funeral

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>> showers. We're getting away from competing with the Barn at Pacifino and some of the others that that's what they do. They rent the halls strictly for that. We're trying to recognize it's a business office that we're still working and

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people are coming in and we don't have somebody coming in on the weekend. So all of those are I feel are absolutely fine. I'm good with all >> I' I'd hate to all of a sudden start bringing food truck because we've had some bring food trucks in and they've got the whole catering spread out there.

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So, it's more or less like a I call it a working meeting, a business lunch meeting. Coffee and donuts, you know, they bring in the box lunches or the potlucks are fine, too. We've had those. >> Okay, I'm good with all that. Final thing is I would just hope that I know

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you mentioned we you're concerned about the commercial kitchen we have. I hope before we do away with any of that that that's another conversation. >> Oh, that right. That's not a that's not a budget item. I'm I'm just saying for this is no kitchen appliances or equipment rental. The counters are fine,

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right? But no, none of that. That would always be a separate discussion if we ever want to go there. >> Okay. And and with your ex recent experience with the funeral with all the food trucks, do you think it's important that you put in there no food trucks?

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>> Do you all agree with that? >> Well, that's that's not really a budget issue right now. It's a different issue. >> One thing I'd like to ask is, are we setting up chairs and tables for these people when they have events? They have to do that themselves. >> They have to do it themselves. They have to set it up and return it to its original.

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>> You have to set it up and take it down, >> right? So, so the chairs and tables are always set up like that. If they need to rearrange it then, and we did have that for u the fish and wildlife, they just had one um last week. They ended up rolling all the tables and they set up

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like the side theater chairs so they could look at the screen, but when they left that night, everything went back to exactly how they found it. >> And I and and that's what we have in our documentation that they have to sign. And we even have a vacuum cleaner for

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them to use, too. Good. >> So, we Okay. Make that a good. >> Okay. >> Thank you for that. Okay. The next um and this one's kind of work in process. Um I know chief's talked to the uh ballpark people and I put in a call to

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them uh be um at least for the ballpark fees. But when you take a look at how we in the past have been renting out our parks, you can see the difference. Um, and again, I compared a lot of this to um what Highlands County uh did. It's

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still modest, but you know, I think it's time that we start increasing our fees on using these parks. I mean, if you think of it, even when you get down to the park user fee, right? Um, Lake June, Lake June

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Park. Uh, where is that? >> Go under sporting events. >> Page 10. >> Yeah, page 10. >> Yeah. Even like Deain Park, right? $25 for the whole park. >> Yeah. You know, versus >> That's not even reasonable. >> Unless there's something in here on these increases.

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Um, I am moving the the ballpark people from 20 to $25. I want to have that discussion with them. Um, but it's just it's time to increase some of these fees. I think when we get into this recreational lighting, I don't even know

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if we're charging on some of this. >> Well, in lighting particular, is that on all the fields there or just one particular fields? If you're using five fields, is it five times the $35 an hour or is it just for the whole area on the ball fields? >> I don't I can't answer that and I don't

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know if we we can. I think in a lot of these cases, this is a printed number and again the process hasn't been doing the collections that it should. >> Who's charging? Who's flipping lights on and off? Who even knows? >> There's timers. There's timers and that they have >> someone's responsible for it. you know,

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the ball team has um keys to be able to turn on the and right now I think Chief, unless you want to add something is we're actually changing all the keys for the ballpark and the the people that had them because they've actually passed them on to other people and we don't

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even know who has the keys. So, >> that should probably be done every year. >> Yeah. >> Or change locks regularly and have them come back through. >> Yeah. So, so there's a lot of, if you will, um, things we're finding that maybe haven't been done that now we've got them on the table. We're having the

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discussion and we need to just get, and you'll hear me say it over and over, the processes in place. >> So, the Lake June Park user fee, that is if my child's playing in the soccer league or the baseball league, every or the men's soccer league, that's each

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participant pays. And that's like an annual fee to be able to use that facility. And the league the leagues can collect that and remit it to the town. Is that that what that means? I think that's what they've done. >> That's what it's supposed to mean. >> Yes. Okay. >> Yes. $20 per kid. They're supposed to collect it. I'm recommending moving it

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to 25 a kid. Um and that's why I want to meet with them, you know, not just on this, but just our overall expenses in the park, the lighting and everything. And to to show them these are our costs, right? you know, we've got to work together on the on the lighting part.

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I'm not so sure that you can um do the lighting to just a particular field. I think they're in areas. >> No, we can. >> You can. >> We can. Right. They have them each one. >> Okay, cool. Mayor, >> but but typically they'll they'll have like four fields going at once, too.

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Something else to consider on the fee for child on these parks is maybe not charging Lake Placid residents >> if they actually live in town. >> They're already paying taxes and doing motorport town. Something to consider.

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We don't have to do it. It'd be one more thing to have to deal with. But >> no, I like that. I mean, and and I I had a conversation even with the school on swimming, right? because they open the pool for the, you know, during the summer and they charge these rates.

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And I said, "Hey, I engaged in that conversation. Didn't get it over the finish line, but something possibly for next year." And I said, "Would you guys think about if the town contributed 2,2500

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and then you could allow every town resident, kid resident, free swimming?" And I said, "We could talk about that." that I said we'd come up with we'd give them a marmband, we'd give them something, but you know, just we really want to encourage them, you know, and to

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take swimming lessons, too. So, those were the conversations I was engaging with. What can we do from some of our residents children in a way to reduce costs or fees? So, that fits right in in there. I think that that's a great idea.

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>> Well, Greg, we talked about that many years ago and and I I hope you all explore it. My recollection was that since a lot of the facilities were built with grant money and because Highlands County gives us $125,000 of recreation money that we were not able to

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differentiate. And so, >> you know, Mike can look into that. It seems to me that's where we got to before >> since there was other public resources helping pay for it that we couldn't make that differentiation. And I' I've been looking into that too and we'll work together because then it was like okay

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if we use the FURDAP grant which we did years ago to buy some land for like [snorts and clears throat] you know can we or can't we? So there's some things we can and others we not we we can't but that's where I mean I I love this idea of how can we return some of the taxpayer dollars targeted at especially

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the children. And it and it may be more, Madame Mayor and Greg, it may be more of if we wanted to budget some money in the child paid the $25 fee, but they were residents of the Lake Placid that there was some

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return. In other words, it might be easier for us to refund them a certain portion as a town resident instead of charging them less as a if we wanted to go that way, >> have them pay, and come back and get a credit maybe. >> Yeah, exactly. Yeah. or just keep it to

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the have the league figure it out and or have maybe have a a flat fee for the league and then not charge each of the individual children, but that the league let the league figure out how to make that work. >> I just remember Highlands County since

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they're pwning in $125,000 in maintenance money. >> Yeah. >> Poo pooed that idea. >> Yeah. And I think they're right. I think they're right. >> I $125,000 isn't even close to what we need. I understand. And I I had that discussion at the budget workshops they

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had here, you know, C was, >> you know, I I've uh I So, we have 2400 residents for Lake Placid. I called the post office and said, "Mike, how many deliveries to

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33852 do you have?" He said, "During snowbird season, 20,000." So, times that by two. Average household. And that's what I told Highlands County. I don't know how you came up with the 125 for each of the three cities, 50,000 for Sun

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and Lake, 50,000 for Spring and Lake, but the pressure on my parks is over 40,000. This is the 33852 that are, you know, using all of our facilities. So maybe there might be a way you can go back and

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look at how you've allocated it. And of course, I got nowhere. And then at the end I thought, you know, Lake Plaza never asked for anything. And my comment was this is the second year in a row I've asked for that. >> But I mean that's the pressure. And I mean as we we combine parks together now

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and you'll start seeing the true operation costs of parks and if we net the 125 I mean we are spending over a quarter million dollars on just our parks. So, however, we can get some more support

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because it's more than the 2400 residents that are using them. >> Even Central Florida Regional Planning said 35,000 in the area. >> So, yeah. >> Yeah. >> And and I mean, even these numbers that we're allocating, you're hearing to parks, right, are for beyond just the

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TW. So, we're taking the taxpayers money to better the parks so that the greater Lake Placid can use our parks. And that's fine. We are going to need their help to kind of help us with the county to say how can we send some more money and that's going to be through the ARPAC

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grant. >> Mayor, >> good luck. >> I don't mean that sarcastically. Go after them. >> Rachel, good luck. >> The $25 fee that you referring to for each uh each kid that's playing is per league. >> So if you want to be in baseball and

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football, you got to pay the 25 for each league. >> Each league. in each season. So, if you're in the fall ball versus the spring ball. >> Yes, that's correct. Okay. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Anything standing out here?

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Then the next page 11 is what Allan's been um charging and and he feels it's it's fine to keep it the same, but for his garbage when there's events, the garbage um the the fees that they charge. So, and

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and a lot of these are when somebody comes in and they fill out the application, these are on the application, what are you going to need so that we know how much to charge them. So how are these levels established? Level one through four is it based on

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probable amount of people by the amount of garbage expected to be generated. >> Okay. >> We should probably have minimum 25 bucks even worth going by there for it. You can't even get in your vehicle and start it up and drive to the place for $25.

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There should I would think be a minimum of at least a hundred bucks just for going out there. Even if it's just one bag, >> just as an example, I guess >> I don't I don't know. Um I don't know that this is a special trip, right? >> Right. We we would still empty the town

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cans uh on a regular basis anyway. >> Be there anyway. >> Yeah. >> That's different. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Because the first one is, okay, you're going to rent that little pavilion. You're going to have a couple bags of garbage. You're going to put them there. We're going to pick them up, but we're going to charge you for them because now it's extra garbage, extra tipping fees, everything. So that's what

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this is intended to do. >> So if I want to rent the pavilion in Steuart Park, I can come pay a fee, pay a garbage fee, have the Royce barbecue there, and if anyone else shows up, I can tell them to take a hike, and that the pavilion is mine for the day. Right.

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Is that the way it works? >> Yes, >> that's the way I understand it. Yes. >> Okay. What I've seen in other towns is, and we I don't think we've got there, is once they make that reservation, then there's something that says Royce's barbecue, you know, this time versus you having to call code enforcement to kick them out.

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>> Right. Okay. >> Good deal. >> Cool. >> You have a question? >> There was I haven't gotten to it yet or passed over it. I was looking over it earlier. I think we're not quite there yet. >> Okay. the uh cost of the parks and using

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a pavilion in the park or the whole park. >> It's fair. >> A couple of them were the same price for part of the park or the whole park. That should probably be adjusted >> more for the whole park. Yeah, I got ahead of us on that. I thought maybe we gotten past >> No, no, no. We did. We skipped we we all approved it, but let's go back to it.

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Page 10, right? Are you on 10? >> I thought maybe we hadn't gotten to that yet, but yeah, on page 10 for the Steuart Park, the cost of the whole park, >> does that include the pavilion? If you get the whole park. Yep. Get the whole park.

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>> Seems like looking back the uh for the whole park or just part of the park, it costs the same. If you're going to just rent the one of the pavilions back here, the entire park for Steuart Park was $150. That's the deposit. I'm sorry. Proposed

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fees $100 for the whole park or see. Yeah, 50 here on Steuart Park just for the uh pavilion. Yeah. >> So, I was going to deposit about the not the whole pavilion, the whole park. Sorry. >> Yeah, I made that mistake, too. I had to cross out. >> So, there is a difference. It's a small

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difference, but yes, that's good. >> We're good. >> Yes. >> Okay. I think that's it for fees. I think we rolled through fees pretty good, right? So appreciate all of the uh input there. Okay. This was just because we're going to do

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water. So, that was a reminder on this one. Uh we've already passed the uh water and the water and the wastewater. So we can just kind of go right I think >> the CIS. >> Yep.

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Now the CIS is um we have time for this. I mean so we can do a few >> page 23 24 25. >> So the CIS I like to call it the five and the 10 year right. Um, we actually have time.

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What we wanted to do, so in September, we're going to do the readings for the actual budget. We really can then push the CIS into October, right? It doesn't have to be done at the same time. We just don't want to lose track of, you know, like we did in the past. It it

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scooched eight months behind. So, because the CIS, right, year one of the CIS is going to be our budget. what we just agreed we're going to drop it into year one and then we're going to determine okay what are the next four years what do you want to spend and then

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the the bigger is the 10-year so I mean we if they've got any ideas on this now we can do that or we can also pause this to come back after we've got the budget you know maybe it's at second meeting right we can we can do the CIS in

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September if we want to tag it to one of those meetings >> if you wanted to tag it to one of those meetings or wait till you're adopted and just slate October to finalize your CIP and your CFS. >> Yeah. >> So, I just have questions.

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>> So, if we go to page 26 and they'll refer to this earlier. >> Um, my questions were um splash pad dog park. We got 200 grand budgeted for the next couple of years. I don't think that's a realistic number.

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Um then we have nature trail botanical garden way out 20 years out $2 million. Where did we come up with we were going to seek a fur grant for $2 million.

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>> That was just I was told to dream big. So, so I I imagined uh the vacant lot behind Bird Harris is basically being like Steuart Park, but five to six times larger where it would be trails under walking under a canopy.

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>> Okay? >> With with additional landscaping, not a full indoor facility of any sort. >> And I'll tell you what, I'm all about green space. I think we should, if we're not going to get rid of that parcel, we ought to have a plan over the next five,

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six years to develop it into a park. I just didn't know what a nature trail botanical garden was for $2 million. Then I'll come back to the pickle ball in a second since I perceive we're going to give the pickle ball money. It's not going to happen. You know, there's

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$200,000 and I'll just share with my fellow council members. That's why I will I will not vote for 3.65. If nothing else, when we save that $200,000, I think I think that the clock has effectively been run out on that thing. So, when we

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save that $200,000, that'll should allow us to reduce the millage by at least a tenth of a mill. Thanks. >> But I'm not ready to say the pickle ball isn't going to happen because we had 15 people show up to the pre-bid meeting. So, I'm just I'm ready to move that over

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into the next year. But in it's right now it's in the 25. It should be in 26. That just needs to be moved over because I'm not ready to bail. >> I'm not ready to bail either. No. But >> when it doesn't happen when we know that it's not going to happen,

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>> but we don't know that yet. >> I know. But and as you know, I'm supportive of it, but I just think the clock's been run out. >> Yeah. The only comment I would make is that's fur money. I'm sorry. That's >> we pull No, we pulling that from infrastructure. is at 200,000

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infrastructure. So that way budget items out of general fund couldn't be used for that. So absolutely 200,000 is getting freed up, but it has to be freed up for future infrastructure, >> but the 200 and here the $200,000 town

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stuff was listed under general fund. >> Was it? >> Oh, it is general fund. Was out of general fund. Okay, that's >> and and I'm Neil, don't get me wrong. I hope I hope it we figure out but if it doesn't happen I I'll just I don't know if we're going

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to go into this but I didn't want to slow the whole boat down two weeks ago but just I'm not going to vote for 3.65 so y'all can figure out what we need to do in regards to fund balance but I mean at the very least I'm going to want to

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see 510 or you know a tenth come out of it and I want to see a small tax reduction. Yeah, I'm not going to vote for 3.65 either. That was just to get us to the meeting and >> Okay, >> don't stress about that. >> We can jump ahead to the >> I don't want to handicap the meeting.

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>> I just didn't want anyone out there to if if if it's not made up of pickle ball, then it needs to be made up of fun balance I presume. >> So, so it we can jump ahead to that. We have a chart on that and then we can always come back to this if that we can come

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back to that. Okay. So, let's see. So, so let's jump ahead, Eva. Well, first off, pull up. I think it's in the packet. We put together 365 350. You know, we put together some numbers based on last time. I think there was a

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leaning towards 350. So, we said, okay, what will what that be? And then I heard, well, I want to at least come down 0.5. So, we put together a 36. And so you'll see the difference of 365 to 35 is like 53,000 a 51,000. Okay. So

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the first the grouping up here is if we go from 365 to 350 we're talking a $51,000 reduction. >> If we go from 365 to 350 it's 34,000. Or if you just drop it, you know the

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um the half a point it's to the 18. So this just gives you some comparison on where do you want to land. Now what I will put up is the next chart that wasn't in your packet. I said well let's put this together. So keep in mind 56,000 if you're looking at 350

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if you want to go to 355 37,000. So what I did what we pulled together okay remember this chart where we started carving down we're spending 38,000 on events. >> So here's here's an area. So what we put

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is the budget workshop number one, what we heard. And so and and you'll see anything here will give you the opportunity that puts that money back in to lower because these are built into the budget

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already. So any reduction you want to do in these will free up money to get you the reduced tax that you might want. >> You're basically saying we're already down, if we did what we said we were going to do, we're down 17 grand. Yes. >> Okay. >> Yes. >> In round number >> and then and then that's where and again

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not that it means that much but I I had mentioned well the Caladium Festival and the arts and fair to to reduce that even a little more because we're increasing our membership from 2500 to 5,000. So we're already giving them money to go into the highest level membership. I I

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feel that could warrant even bringing this contribution down to them more. But we're still going to be sitting here at 21,000 recognizing, you know, some of these were no change. So I just throw this as this is what we heard. You know, you may want to tweak it up, you may

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want to tweak it down because when we'll run with this, but this gives you the opportunity of an area to further reduce if you want to get that back to the other chart. I mean, we may be flipping back and forth between these charts. >> I mean, you're making the case that reducing the millillage by at least a

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tenth is is pretty simple. M >> okay >> whatever you reduce it we'll get there it's just what are we going to you know pull out >> I mean we're also >> I think pretty confident with now that we're going to increase some of these

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revenue these fees that we talked about that's going is it going to get us a lot no it's going to get us some staff is continuing to look at a lot of processes and projects for instance we're looking at Century Link Verizon

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Comcast, right? We've got cell phones, we've got Wi-Fi, we've got telephones, and we're bundling all that together. And we're going to talk to Clear Fiber, right? These inter these um fiber optic companies. So, we're looking at how we've spread costs over many, how we get

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it back and and we can negotiate with them once we know the complete inventory of where do we have all the Wi-Fi, how many phones do we have, how many cell phones, how many iPads, etc. Um, so and and anybody who deals with Comcast knows you come in with a

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promotional price and over time they just increase in it and if you don't call them to get that promotional price. So what I'm saying is as we're continuing to look at our current costs and operations and processes, I'm very optimistic on continuing to look at

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where there could be savings. Now, wherever we find savings, we have more opportunity to do something else. But I mean those are it's kind of hitting it from all ways seeing how we can get more revenue without the taxpayers's burden. And at the same time

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what the taxpayers have tasked us to do is look at our cost to see how we can minimize those. >> I just think it'd be nice to be able to to hopefully go to 3.5 and give a 5% reduction in the millillage. You know,

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>> I don't think we can go to three I don't think we can go to 3.5, but I think we might could go to We can obviously go to 3.6. I I don't think we can go to 3.5. Maybe 55, but I don't think we can go to five.

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>> I think the mayor just said she's going to You've already found 17,000. >> Well, that we found it from from that other chart. And that other chart can even tweak it a little more. >> Yeah, but that's at 3.6 right there. So, I I get that. Um, so that's why I'm

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saying, okay, so we could probably go to 3.55, but when you go to from 55 to 5, that's quite a jump. That's another 17,000. >> But it's another 17,000. >> So, Eva, scroll that up so we can see the bottom line there. >> Where am I scrolling?

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>> Just Isn't there a right there? >> Oh, I get it. I just I think Rachel on this one because of the events the other chart. So we're already at the 36 with the reduction from the event fees.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. >> I'm not as optimistic as you are now. I guess I'm presuming that we won't have to spend that the 200 grand for pickle ball come out of the budget and then when that comes out we're now providing

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a different lower level of service at the parks then I think we we have to drop our millage accordingly since we're providing a lower level of service. So that's why if that doesn't look like it's going to go by the time we get to the final

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budget hearing in midepptember then just I don't know >> I'm open to that >> vote to get anything below 365 >> first reading yeah first reading is uh September 14th. So, I'm I'm open to

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that. Um depending on how pickle ball goes but >> um but I'm not ready. I'm not open to it today. >> Okay. That's >> I just want to give everyone fair warning that >> So, so you're leaning towards a 35? >> Yes.

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>> Without pickle ball? >> Certainly. >> Only without pickle ball. Yes. >> Only without pickle ball. >> And I would hope that we would go at least a 3.55. We've already already found 17,000. I have faith that mayor and the staff are

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going to find another 1520,000 of savings and other stuff. And if we have to use a few grand of of fund balance, we use a few grand of fund balance. But we ought to be we ought to be as people's property values appreciated, we ought to be thinking

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about I'm not talking about going to roll back, but we ought to be rolling back the millage rate at least some percentage against what their property value increase is. >> What were we last year? 365. >> Yes.

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>> Which which was a hefty increase. 18% increase. We went from 31 to 365. >> Yeah. Yeah. remember that was a big one. >> Was a big one. Um I think I think we can work within that. I mean let's talk about the timing. I mean the pickle ball

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bids are due next Tuesday >> with the plan to bring Can't believe we committed that because we got to turn it around in two days to get it into the packet for the following Monday meeting. So we'll know who made

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that decision. I think the attorney goes, "You got five days." And it's like, "No, we have one and a half days to get it into the packet." Um, and I I think we can make that work, right? Because we'll be able to know before I mean, by the

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17th meeting, right? Is it the 17th meeting? You know, we'll have a decision go or no go. And then I I think what I'm hearing is if we don't do pickle ball, then we can go with a three.5

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and we'll make up the gap that we have in the budget from general fund money. >> These two won't be here on the 17th. Keep that in mind. >> Greg said he might be here on the >> Oh, he might be. >> Yeah, it be it'll be tight. I don't know if I'll be able to walk by that, but if I can, I'll make it. Yeah, you'll be

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hear the [laughter] so this is where we asked the mic the attorney what's the quarum. >> So out of curiosity what latitude especially if Mr. Sap doesn't think he can make it and I know I won't be able to make it. Um, I mean, what latitude do

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we have to just changing that meeting date a few days or a following week or I mean >> I'd rather do that than than operate without both of their inputs. I value their input even if we disagree. I value their >> I don't know that we can operate with both of theirs.

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>> So you you could cancel the 17th and and advertise a special >> and to cover the whole so not have them if if you're not going to have a quorum for the 17th. you go ahead and cancel and we can advertise. >> That'll give you more leeway on pickle ball too

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>> on those contracts. >> Yes, that make but we'll just we'll have to advertise just the whole agenda because it's then be considered a special >> special. >> So whatever goes on the agenda would be advertised as a special meeting.

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>> Yes. >> Will we carry the same agenda over? I mean >> you're going to carry the same agenda. I mean, we already have a full agenda for the 17th. >> Now, the only downside of this is that Dana has already advertised for second reading her three ordinances. Now, where

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does that come into play? When does that >> we just have to readvertise those? So, she'd have to readvertise. Um, >> so, so >> may not have time for the 10 days prior to adoption. >> Or can we keep that meeting? Well, yeah,

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she could besides the agenda. >> Yeah. If it's a quorum, it wouldn't matter for it. >> Is it a quorum? >> Is what a quorum? Oh, >> two people is two people in the mayor quorum. >> Two. The mayor does not count a quorum as far as I know in our town code. >> Right. >> To split a tie, but it be two a quorum.

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Do you have to have three to have a quorum? You have to have a three to have the quum. >> So I cur I'm sorry madam mayor if it's okay if if you had the meeting on the 17th and you didn't have a quorum then and you then

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>> can't conduct business. >> Yeah I know you can't conduct business but then can you then just say well we're going to move all these matters to a different date and does that change your advertising requirement? >> My recommendation would be to it needs to be advertised. Okay.

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>> And just do it up front and move it if the mayor wants to. >> Litigation in land use specifically and a statute was amended to address that. That was something as important as significant as budget. If we know it's coming up now, let's try to take care of it. >> Well, I apologize, but these were like plane tickets that were bought six

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months ago. So, I can't change >> I can't change American Airlines schedule. >> You can. No, that's fine. I mean, I just don't go anywhere. I'm flying. I don't >> I don't like going to the Miami airport

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any more than anyone else, but that's the only mayor. >> Just just quickly, if if we know tonight that we possibly won't have we might have enough time to readvertise for Dana's ordinances depending on the date that we're going

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to pick for the special. Yes. >> 10 days prior. >> Yeah. With Dana's ordinances, could we have the meeting limited to that agenda. Her ordinance is we have two here. >> But we don't have a quorum. So you don't

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have a quorum. >> Then you can readvertise. The quorum is not met. You meet the obligations of actually having a meeting. Even though you couldn't vote on it, you could carry it to the next one and advertise then the same issue. >> Would you then all the way go all the way into September?

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>> I wouldn't want to go that far with some of those agenda. >> I mean Dana's text amendments, could they wait until September? So maybe we just >> extend those till September. >> I'm going to text her now. >> We would move all those agenda items to September.

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>> She's got three those three text amendments that uh you did first reading on. >> They're coming up for second reading. >> Um >> I don't see any significant emergency with any of them. >> Why not? Um, >> the thing that wouldn't want to wait

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till September is if in fact you had >> a valid bid for the pickle ball, >> we'd advertise for the special meeting for that specific >> do that like on the 24th and get that moving and not go another three or four weeks out. >> Yeah,

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>> that we have plenty of time to advertise. There's no time limit to advertise on the special. I was just thinking about the hearings that she had scheduled for second reading on on how that was going to happen. >> So, what was it? Just their comp plan text amendments? >> No, they're regular the regular tech.

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They're uh code amendments. The ones you voted on for first hearing. >> They were setbacks for fences and >> Yeah. It's not anything that's really >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I was just looking at the timing on do we post We can postpone those

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then. Okay. Okay. So that may work, but not just for pickle ball because I'm we're kind of narrowing down that we may have a good candidate pool to interview for the town administrator.

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And what we did before, you know, we'd recommend the same is we we would set up, you know, I'm trying to to make sure we at least have three candidates. And I think we've, you know, we're Rachel even and I are going to go through all the resumes and I think we do. And so, not

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to continue to prolong this and prolong this and to get some stability in, you know, the thinking is we'll set up the interview where each of us separately we we just have them one day. You come in, you interview one, you interview the other, you interview, you give us, I give you a scoring sheet, you score it,

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and then the next meeting, we would come on board and we would say, okay, we took the scoring and the mayor's, you know, this is what John Hullbrook did. I'd recommend any of them. This is one I like. And then we made a motion and we selected that person.

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I would take advantage of if we're going to do a special meeting to do also that town administrator selection and pickle ball and whatever else. [snorts] So on the >> 24th all on the 24th it might the yeah all in that work.

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>> Can we get the interviews in by >> that's what I was saying. We would you know we we're going to you know Monday go through them all. We're going to contact the people. We'll get your schedules. We'll see you know and then push to get that. So it's not just a special meeting for pickle ball. It's a

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special meeting for for both. And if there's anything else guys scheduled first because they're the ones that are going to be out of town in the process. >> Out of town. And yeah, I mean that. So that's what I'm saying is that may work versus us waiting till September, another month. That way we could get the

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selection in April and August and we can get the um the onboarding done. I talked to Mr. Adela. She's okay with we just have to revertise the tax amendments ordinance amendments actually. So it's not that significant. So you're free to set your date. >> So is the 24th good for everybody or I

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mean you're just getting back anytime in that week is good for me. >> Can you make the 24th? >> I'm gonna have to go check my I don't have my calendar with me. >> Absolutely. We had a budget amendment third meeting scheduled for the 27th which we're just going to cancel because

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we don't need, you know, we're going to pull together whatever direction that we have. >> I'm I'm starting, even though I'm now the one that was advocating for the 24th, I'm starting to think that I have an obligation in Gainesville that day, but if you wanted to go out to the 27th,

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I'm I know I'm darn sure available on the 27th. >> We we have that already set. >> We have a lot of shops set. Yeah, but but we have it blocked on our calendars, the 27th at 5:30 with >> and so if everyone else can make the 27th, then maybe that gives you even a couple of more days to do your

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candidates and >> better. I'm concerned about pickle ball. We are really on time schedule for pickle ball. I don't want to >> I don't know that three days will make a difference. I just didn't want to go out three weeks. >> No, I'm just not I'm just not positive I

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can commit right now to the 24th. the days together >> because we would be we it was supposed to be the 17th, >> right? >> And now now it's not three days, it's 10 days. It's a week and then and then three more days.

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>> 27th. >> I can I can absolutely commit to being here on the 27th. >> I'm okay with it. I'm just my concern again. >> Okay, we'll do the 27th. You need to advertise that. Do you need topics?

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>> Yeah, we'll we'll come up with topics because you're talking about the pickle ball bids and then >> town administrator. I would add we were going to put the um um the tax role for the residential rates.

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We're going to go on this meeting because we have a tight schedule to get that to the county. Um that's for your residential rights where we adopt the resolution to adopt your non-tax your non-advelorum. Um typically we do that in September, but

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there's a one-day turnaround from the time you would approve it on the first reading and us getting it to the county. Garbage fees. >> Yeah, garbage fees. So, we were trying to get on this one. I'd like to add it to there so we're not crunched for time. Something >> That's right. The commercial. Well, yeah. >> So, I would like to add that to it. >> No, I think we're all on the same page.

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I won't I promise, Greg, I won't ask any questions. >> Oh, no. >> He said he was going to keep it the same. He was happy with it. So, >> I'm writing it down. You're going to ask question. >> So, yeah, I'll advertise. We'll come up with the the agenda. >> We'll treat it like a regular meeting if you want. And we'll just We have to lay it out, though. The advertisement. And

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when do you need to advertise that by? The >> special meetings are a little bit different. There's not like 10 days before, but the sooner the better. I think if we know we're not going to have the meeting, I'll get it out. The sooner the better. >> Okay, sounds good. >> I think that's all I had on this. I

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think we've covered everything. Rachel, you good? >> Quick question. So, are we officially cancelling the 17th? because I can want to do that as soon as I can. So, I can go ahead and cancel that on. >> It was going to be cancelled the day of with no quorum anymore.

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>> So, I'm going to go ahead and do that ahead of time. >> Definitely not here the 17th. >> I am not here 17. >> No, he let us know that. >> So, I'm going to do that tomorrow and get that. >> Your surgery is before >> you're not going to be sitting here.

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>> You don't need to be that tough. >> Sorry. We can't. We're cancelling. Yes. We're not gonna No workers comp here. [laughter] >> Work anyway, so it's good. >> No, no, but you're you have a job here. If you come in here, you hurt yourself.

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Um, okay, we're all good there. All good. Um, I I need to correct the 100year anniversary date of the town. So, I had announced June 6th and Margaret Deer

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sends me from the historical museum a nice parchment paper signed by the governor. It's June 8th. And it's so funny because we had a plaque in the >> in the town hall that has each of the governor's each of the mayor's dates.

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And um I took it in to get John's date and you know mine added and there was John's was scratched up another time. Got that fixed up but it said town of Lake Placid chartered May 27th 2000 I mean um 1927. So we really have an

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identity crisis which of course the historical museum is like seriously here's your paper. So >> the time it took to get the donkey from [laughter] here trip. >> So it is June 8th. Um good. Anybody else

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have anything else? >> Madame Mayor, if I could, I would like to read uh Councilwoman Eberhart's comments that she asked for to have read in for tonight. >> Okay. Um she says uh I wanted to state that I am in agreement with all that was

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presented in the CRA and town council packets be schedule and limiting the use of facilities. Also I would be pushing for a 3.65 mil rate for reasons stated below uncertainty on future real estate taxes.

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For all but two years, 2008 to 2022, the town rate was less than roll back, even though cumulative inflation amounted to over 40%. The town has to dig itself out of that hole and do maintenance and improvements

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for neglect. That was her comments. >> Okay. Thank you. Okay. Anything else? >> Let me just share that Councilman Hayes and I both attended a meeting. Was it yesterday? >> Yesterday in Wula very well attended

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meeting very well put together meeting about digital infrastructure more specifically about data centers. And so [clears throat] we'll ask either Sarah Beth Murphy or Jennifer Kota Salsbury to get all the information to everyone. Um,

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I don't know whether or not the town will ever get an application for a data center, but this meeting I thought did a very good job of dispelling all the myths about all the concerns and and it and it it talked about, for

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example, Fort me currently takes in $1.7 million in AVARM tax. when their data center is complete, they're going to take in $20 million. So, it is just an absolute gamecher

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on the revenue side for small rural towns. Not making judgments, but it's just it this was just a very I thought everyone did an excellent job with it. There was a lot of questions from the audience that they went through. So, if anyone can get a chance to either watch

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it on YouTube or at least get the report on it, I'd encourage you to do so. Um, and then one more thing I wanted to share while we're here is, um, I think it was two weeks ago, um, I set

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up a meeting with Chuck Verk of the tower and, uh, chief attended and Justin Peek, our code enforcement officer, and I wanted to meet him at the tower to talk about the pro the the buildings, right? The, you know, the condition of

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the buildings. Um, we ended up with the plan would be Justin's going to write up what are all the code violations, right, that they those buildings uh currently have because, you know, there's boards hanging down, wires

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hanging down. And then we would get them to him and then they would he would uh note, you know, what he's going to fix and what he can't fix. One example was, you know, if the window because eventually those buildings he had said more likely would be torn down for um

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somebody to buy um the property because the property is for sale. One example he said, you know, that if there's a busted window, he covers it with plywood, but our code says, you know, you have to replace it with a window. I told him that in the end, the council will make decisions on what are accept acceptable

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exceptions. That to me seems like it was would be one. we're not going to have you invest into windows when either they're going to get busted again or they're going to get demolished. And so I did send that letter out today um to him noting all of the different um items

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and that and asked him for feedback within three weeks. So, just wanted to let you know that, you know, I know this has been a big um concern with everybody, you know, myself included, the conditions of the buildings and that and um but he has now started a website

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which is pretty cool, right? There's a tower website for the tower building and some of the things he's been doing. I guess there's a green dragon that lights up now and different things. So, he's created a lot of interest of people that want to see that tower, you know, preserved. Nobody's talking about

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tearing the tower down. Um, and then that whole area, you know, um, you know, it would be nice to get it sold and developed and that, but so I just wanted to throw that out is that we are addressing, you know, with him what are the things that he can do with the those buildings.

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>> If I could just uh build on that. Um, we had the the gentleman that's doing the the lighting and things like that. We had him at our Rotary Club Rotary meeting. So, if you want to go to Lake Placid Rotary on Facebook, you'll see a summary of [clears throat] the meeting

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and Mr. um >> no, Forsythe was there. For with an E on the end because he's the Irish one. um he was there as well and he talked at length about the tower and the the he

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professed that they are not going to tear down the tower at all, that the tower is structurally sound and they they want to preserve the tower and they even talked about um trying to form a foundation of people that would would support the tower and you know things

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like that. but he did allude to the the other buildings that they're going to, you know, have that's a separate issue, but the tower itself um was was pretty solid. So, the details of that meeting is on our Facebook site. >> Okay, good. >> Madame Mayor, I'm sorry, one more thing.

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I I had the opportunity today. I spent about four hours with Congressman Sto and his staff primarily doing a stuff, but they had never really been to Lake Plast. So we drove downtown, saw all the stuff, explained to them what was going on here with, you know, that Congressman Franklin had offices one way or the

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other where whether it's Darren Sodto or someone else, we're going to have a new congressperson representing us come the first year. So I'd encourage, you know, you and staff to think about are we still interested hopefully in leasing office space? Do we want to change the terms because you know Scott's people

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are going to go away and whoever the new whether it's Darren Sto or a new congressperson for district 9. I know he was very enthusiastic about potentially having an office here and he and his staff were very they've been down

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several times since the change was put in place for the future and so I know he's very interested in the area. some >> um thank you for that and actually I've gone to a few of these candidate forums for the other um candidates that are running for

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district 9 and I've actually pulled them aside and said hey when you're elected like placid is right smack in the middle of your whole district and we will have an office ready for you. So, I' I've been lobbying that way. Hopefully, as I told each of

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them, when you're elected, the other didn't hear me say the same thing. When you're elected, when you're elected, [laughter] but but I agree totally. And that's what the way they've redistricted. We're perfect, right? All the way from Okchobee to Orlando. Here we are.

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>> Yeah. We're perfect sub office. >> Absolutely. >> Thank you for um doing that also with him. Okay. Anybody else? Uh, one one thing just the uh the light that shines on the Highway 27 flag uh was notified

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by Duke Energy that it's been repaired. >> They're fixing it. >> It's been it's been fixed. >> They're done. >> Okay. >> Thank you so much. >> Okay. All right. It's 8:08. Uh call this meeting adjourned.