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You're still on mute. Still muted. So I always thought girls had the advantage in like growing up. They could always like lipre. I could never lipre. The guys are always going, "What are they saying?" They could lipre to one another. >> Yeah, she's on her way down right now.

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Let me >> It would serve me well to have done it in Zoom time. to the chair. This is Ham. We are live and recording. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So, they're they have asked to

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kick it out. For some reason, the media didn't show. >> Um, what? Oh, I'm sorry. Now that I'm here, why again did they ask to bump it out two weeks? >> They didn't say they're just asking for a continuence for two weeks.

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>> It's not unusual. We'll hear why. They're going to come here and ask why. >> Oh, okay. Go down. Say Hey Charlie, can you hear us? Hey Diane.

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>> Yes. Hi. >> Hey. Can you hear us? >> I can hear you. Yes. >> This is Bill and Jachi. We're working on a video. Doesn't seems the video working. >> Oh, >> hello. >> Oh, there you are. Hi. >> Hi, Diane.

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>> Hi. >> Are we waiting for other people? >> Well, the chair hasn't arrived yet. We don't have um everyone from the board yet. >> Oh, okay. I'm glad it works. I know in person is so much easier.

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>> Mhm. think >> I don't know why our video is not working. >> Oh, okay. >> That's all right. We can turn our was off to make you feel better. >> My people is working on it.

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>> Yeah, you have to find like a 15year-old or something. And I usually can figure stuff out. >> We can do this one if >> I can see you. you barely stop and we were um bluring or it

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doesn't matter. Can you guys see us? Um, well, I can't anymore. I I I saw you a minute ago. Now I can't see. >> Nope. >> Nope. No. >> I totally apologize everyone. I couldn't

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find the couldn't find the login. Call up my vice chair to get me in here. Um, again, totally apologize. This is Hi, I'm John Cina. I'd like to call this meeting to order. This is the board of appeals meeting on July 8th, 2026. As I

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said, I am John Kino, the chair. Permit me to confirm that all members and persons anticipating the agenda are present and can hear me. Members, when I call you, please answer the affirmative. Mr. Burton here. Mr. Riley. >> Okay, I can see him. I know. I spoke to

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him and that's how I got on. He told me where to go. Oh, yeah. They told me where to go already. All right. Mr. Riley's here. Mr. Heaton >> here. >> Mr. Hunt >> here. >> Mr. Cohen >> here.

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>> And who else do we have? >> Elena G. >> Board members. >> Board members. >> I'm sorry. >> That's okay. Uh, okay. I guess that's the I guess so that's one, two, three,

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four, five, six of us. Okay, so it's good. Okay, good. We have enough We have enough to to start the meeting. >> Excellent. Um staff, um let's see. Oh, John's here because he always hides behind the the um >> president

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>> the seal and um Adena, are you here? Adena is not here. >> Okay. So, it's just you. >> You just have me tonight. I think it's just me tonight. >> Excellent. Thank you, John. Okay. This this opening of the board of appeals is

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being conducted remotely. Please note that this meeting is being recorded. Accordingly, please be aware that others may be able to see you and take care not to screen share your computer. Anything that you broadcast may be captured by the recording. All supporting materials that have been provided by the members of this party are available on the town's website via the web meeting

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calendar. Also otherwise noted each vote taken in this meeting will be conducted by a roll call vote. Um now who's here? Um the proponent >> attorney Nean is here.

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>> Okay, great. Thank you. >> Good evening everyone. How you doing tonight? >> Good. Good. >> Good. >> Excellent. Okay. And it looks like we have some members of the public here. >> Excellent. All right. Um, okay. I'm going to get right into it.

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The Board of Appeals will hold a public hearing on Wednesday, July 8, 2026, 7 p.m. Dear all persons interested in the uniform application for a special permit petition for variance filed by FNS Realy LLC 33 Winston Road, Hollist, Mass. The petitioner seeks variances from the lot

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frontage requirements and the zoning bylaws recept a new single home at zero me west main street lot one hop to mass by allowing access to the property across others legal frontage via reserved common driveway eastman from school street. The property is shown in

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assessor's map R2854-1. The hearing be held remotely using the zoom meeting service. For additional information, please call Hopkins ZBA at the hopkins mba.gov. Call the department of land use planning and permanent at 5084979745 or check the online meeting calendar and agenda for this meeting at hdinma.gov.

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This legal notice is also posted to Massachusetts newspapers public association mnpa website at masspublic notices.org. John CIO chair and clerk regarding 27001. Now there are there are three others to be read in. Um I will uh if with

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permission of the board and John I will say that that the next one is zero me west main street is it lot two zero west main street lot three and zero west main street lot four hop mass and we can just

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read them all in at once is that the four of them neon are you okay with that >> reasonable for us yeah >> okay good just I just didn't want to print out all four I printed out two them and I just said, "Wait a minute. There's only one line different in it. That must been a real easy one to write

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up." Um, okay. Um, yeah, I read in and you're ready to go. Mr. Nean, I I I I heard that you were looking for a continuence. >> Yes. Yep. My uh my CL So, Jack Nean uh Neil and Nean and Click 85 Main Street.

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Um so my client uh received some correspondence from town hall yesterday that uh some abutters wouldn't be able to make this meeting. Um he's remained very firm in collaborating with the abutters on this project. So he has agreed to extend it. Um it also seems

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like there's quite a bit of a confusion on the validity of these easements. Um, so I think we'll also use this time to type up a memo from the board for the board and the public to kind of explain this easement so we don't need to waste too too much time at the at the public

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hearing. Uh, if the board's willing to continue. >> So, Miss Nean, I saw that that you're requesting an in a a an in-person meeting. However, the one of the issues is that that I and a and and at least one other board member, permanent board

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member actually changed their schedule so that we could do an in-person meeting for this one because that's what was originally requested. Um, I will not be able to and I don't know if another member I we sent in a note earlier uh be able to do an in-person meeting on the

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22nd because I changed my meeting that was supposed to be tonight to the 22nd and and I will be 1500 miles away. So, so you know I would I you know it it for me to it could be continued but again it would have to be a Zoom meeting

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>> um as as as chair. I don't know about the vice chair or some of the other some of the other um members, but um uh considering how much easier a zoom meeting is. I remember at one point somebody said, "Oh, because the drawings are big." Well, it's a I'm a builder.

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I'm a builder. Mr. Hunt is a builder. Uh Mr. Heaton is a builder. There there are two there there are there are at least two of the three of our of our attorneys are real estate attorneys and we have a another another realtor on the board so

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we're all used to seeing large plans so I'm not worried about that part. >> Yeah I think the plans are available at the town hall >> the plans are available at town hall as well. >> Oh okay. >> Yeah. I think our thought with the

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in-person hearing was that, you know, it's four separate lots that make up, you know, 10 acres or so of land with utility access coming through easements, um, you know, frontage on West Main Street. So, it it is four separate lots

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and four separate petitions, but they're all quite interconnected on how they, you know, to be expected to share common driveways. Um, so we just want to make sure that members of the public and especially members of the of the board can understand kind of the entire

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picture. Um, and I don't doubt that, you know, everybody on this call can can do it on Zoom and understand it. You know, the applicant just thought and the engineer more so just thought that, you know, he's got 12 12 pages of plans. You know, would it not be easier to show

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people in kind of a public forum? But I understand that we're in this virtual world and people are on holiday and traveling. So we we totally understand that. >> So uh Mr. MN, so one of the things that's that's I just want to clarify and

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get a point of clarification. So So you'd be looking for four four different rulings or actually it'll be eight because it's two two on each two in each variance and two >> correct. Yep. Four separate lots, two variances on each lot. identical relief

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for each. >> So there'd be so there'd be 16 different me 16 different um votes in actuality because we have to vote. Okay. Um yeah. So so we yeah we definitely need to make sure that we have the the the same same

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group in case it has to be continued. uh because this this will end up being a big long meeting considering there's going to be um four vote four votes per lot. >> The only thing I'm going to say, John, the only I I don't disagree. It's going

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to be four per, but I also think it's it's what they're asking for, like Mr. Nean said, they're all very similar in each one of them. So, um, and I know each one of them's going to stand individually and we're going to vote on each one individually because that's how

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they're presented. But what you're asking of all of them is, correct me if I'm wrong, Mr. Nean, is basically the same thing for all four. >> It's identical relief for all four lots, but we have to obviously because >> Yeah, we'll vote individually.

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>> 200 years from now, the lot could sell from the current owner. You know, these will have to run with the land. So it's technically >> it is one project four separate lots. >> I gotcha. But it's identical what we would be voting on John. >> Okay. And and and >> and unless there's some variation within

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a lot then we say this lot is good because of this configuration that lot isn't. Otherwise, I think what they're looking for is is a a vote on it's all or it seems like it's they're individual, but they're being presented as one

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request >> because they're so interconnected and some of them will share access. >> Would is that interconnection being the um the access road? >> It's access and utilities. All the utilities are coming off of School Street regardless. And it's really more

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about the common driveway access not coming through the wetland on on West Main for all four ponds >> because that's the frontage for for all four or on West Main >> where where so um so you're looking for a continuence to the 22nd.

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>> That's correct. Correct. Or or if the board's willing. We were told that the commission the board cannot meet in person tonight um from town hall. So if there is a meeting early in August or something that we can get consensus um I mean the set of plans I have is massive.

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So if it it we believe it could be better understood in person but also we we understand the the nature of the virtual virtual meetings. >> Mr. Alley, would you like to make a motion? >> Um well I think we got to make a motion

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on how where we're going. Are we going till August? Are we going to the TW? So, let me look at I was just going to look at the calendar. So, the August one, the first meeting is August 12th, I believe. >> Yeah. 12th and the 26th.

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>> Yeah. Um I I don't have anything on my calendar at that time. So, that day. So, but I'm I'm a real estate guy, so a lot changes when we're that far out. I'm going to

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I'm going to the Patriots on the 13th. The only thing I actually might have to do is go pick up my daughter with Providence on the 12th. Um uh so um the the 22nd doesn't look great for me. I it's I can't tell, but I've

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got two things on the calendar. I could try to rearrange them, but I I would prefer the 12th over the 22nd. Are you in town on the 12th? Sounds like it, John. >> Well, I'm in uh uh Yeah. So, I just I'll just send my wife to get my daughter. And >> so, how about the rest of the board

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members? Does 12 work for you, James? >> Yeah, that's fine. >> Butters get a say at all? >> Well, if we don't have the butter if we don't have the um board members, it doesn't really matter. >> But, okay.

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>> So, we we before we can do anything, we can but the petitioner is the one who's requesting the the change. Uh, so so Mike Dan, are you okay? >> Yeah. No, I'm f I'm fine on the 12th. Yeah,

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>> I am as well. >> Arnold. >> Yeah, that should be good. >> So, we know we have six people available on the 12th. So, whether Mike can make it or Sean can make it or John Moer, it seems like that's available. We

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certainly don't have those numbers on the 22nd. >> Okay. So uh >> well, I'm available for Zoom on the 22nd. I'm just there. I'm not available for an in-house on the 22nd. So, >> yeah. >> Yeah, I'm always available for the Zoom.

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>> Okay. >> Because I always have my laptop with me. >> So, you want to >> ask, you know, is it's up to you, Jack. I mean, we're kicking it down the road another, you know, full month if we kick it to the

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12th. Um, but we can do a Zoom on the 22nd. >> Yeah, we'd prefer an inperson hearing on the 12th if that if the board's okay with doing that. >> All right. I Yeah. Okay. So John is now

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>> I got a procedural question as an abuter and I think that's what this other woman was asking. Uh it may be convenient for the board to do an in person, but as an auter the 12th. I can't I can't be there and I want to be there and I'm sure everybody else wants to be there. Zoom meetings

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are the best. >> Jim, that's actually what I was just going to ask the chair. >> I was going to ask you. >> We haven't gotten there yet. It was one step at a time. >> Yes. I was going to ask John if it's possible to do a hybrid so that um butters that might not be able to come

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in um would be able to give testimony via Zoom. >> I believe that is possible. I will look into the capabilities of town hall but I believe uh I do believe that is

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possible. >> Excellent. Is that okay with you Jim? And I think Jennifer, you may have >> Oh, yeah. No, I'm fine. Thank you. >> Okay. So when I this is that that's one reason why you

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know it's um I remember uh uh Arnold uh Cohen was you know once said he he wanted to have more in person but these zoom meetings really have been able to have much more um access to people other than other

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than the one where we had 200 people and and we could only handle I think a hundred on on Zoom. Um so you know unless there are 200 people coming then we then we would have to go and get the uh senior center again but it looks like

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that we have a uh a finite number here. >> Yeah. You can always put the in the past we've always had it so we could put the drawings if the they're they're very big. we could put them in the that down floor uh the one of the rooms in the the

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town hall so people could go there um and look at them uh and you know take pictures of them, ask questions of them, put them in advance if that's the goal for it. Uh but when people are out of the country or on vacation or away, they can still zoom in and it does open it up

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to a lot more people to be heard. Um, so, uh, again, we can do the 22nd can on Zoom if we would rather. If we're going to end up doing it maybe on Zoom on the 12th and with with having

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we can still go back to this, Jack, if you'd rather because that's going to save you three weeks or something on your timeline. >> Yeah, it's not so much about time. It's just really about the vastness of the plans. It would just be difficult on Zoom. So, if there's a way we could work

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a hybrid on the 12th, I think that would work that would work best for this project and in the >> Okay. All right. Does any of the abers have anything to say regarding just about the meeting time in date? >> Okay. So, >> okay.

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>> Yep. I make a motion that we move this meeting to August 12th, Wednesday, August 12th at 7 PM. >> And we will attempt to do a hybrid meeting. >> Excuse me. Excuse me. >> Yes.

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>> Um, may I just uh get the name of all the uh board members? So, I'm obviously you're the chair and then Dennis uh is DH. Can Can we do Can we I'm in the middle of a motion. If we could get this afterwards, I'll be happy to go

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through the >> Wait. >> No, no, no. Actually, let us Okay. Well, see, see, I appreciate everybody wanting to get get be heard, but um when we're in the middle of motions and such, everybody should, you know, normally I

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would go and just uh mute everybody's microphones. So, so you're not allowed to speak, especially during a during a motion. Okay, Jennifer. Yeah, I I I we we asked if anybody had anything to say and nobody said anything in the middle.

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>> I was going to say something. Excuse me. I was going to get some to say something. I just forgot that I was on mute. Sorry. My bad. >> Okay, then that now let's have a free update. Yes. >> Okay. All right.

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Go ahead. All right, we will get >> just >> Yeah, just to clarify, you had said only if it was about the meeting. I have other questions too. So I can hold >> we are not discussing we are not discussing anything anything at all

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about the about what's about the uh the project. >> The project there's not a single question we will we will take on the project or allow anybody to answer or anything tonight. We are continuing this. We are going to continue this. There were just some clarifications.

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>> I don't understand why the lawyer didn't do this before. Like he had all this information before and he had this time and we got this deadline as much as he did. So like why >> you're preaching to the choir here. >> I changed my I changed my schedule

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around. I I I work all over the country. I fly all over the country and I changed my meetings uh my meeting from today to the 22nd because they because so we could have an so we could have an in-house meeting and then and then it was okay we can do a Zoom. So I was

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ready to do a Zoom. I've been studying this for the last two weeks. I've been at the I've been at the site several times. So nobody's more disappointed that we're not going to get this put to bed tonight than me. So So I understand the frustration. >> Yeah. Is it because he wants to do

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everything because of the butters? Like is it is he making an excuse? >> It it doesn't make any difference. The the the proponent can can make these these requests and we can take these requests uh uh and and make a motion to

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to to continue it if if that's in if that's what they want. >> So, can we delay it next time too if we want? Like >> no. >> How far does this go? No, it's actually because again because you're you're not you're not you're not the petitioner. You're you're just coming to give

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testimony for or against it. He's the one. So they can just pull this whole thing out and say we're not going to do it. And then what are you going to say? >> Yeah. >> You know what I mean? So without without the proponent, we have nothing. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> All right. So now could everybody unless

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unless you have anything else to say. Okay. that's related to the the motion that we're we're about to I'm about to request to to continue this until um August 12th. Then please mute your mute

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your microphones. >> The only ones now they're going to John is going to do a vote. So the only one else that speaks are the board members. So I second the motion that we move the meeting to August 12th, Wednesday, August 12th. >> Excellent. Okay. for a motion and a

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second. Any discussion on the motion? >> Second. >> None. Mr. Bur. >> Yes. >> And Mr. Cohen. >> Yes. >> Okay. Um, Mr. Heaton. >> Yes. >> Mr. Hunt.

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>> Yes. >> And is there anybody else? And I vote in the affirmative also. Okay. So, we are continuing this meeting till August 12th. and uh we will take up uh everything else there. Um we'll we'll

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do the minutes and the other stuff at at on the 12th from the from the last meeting. Okay. Um looking for a motion to adjurnn. >> Uh John, quick question. Um are we going to get confirmation on the hybrid or is that definitely happening?

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>> Um it will be a hybrid unless otherwise noticed. >> Okay. >> Okay. Beautiful. And and what I what I do hope Mr. Nean is that um if people can't make it that day or whatever if

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maybe we can talk to John or Adena whatever making some of the plans available that night if people want to go in and look at it you know even prior to you know like so they can see if the plans are that big uh because it's it's difficult for some people to

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to visualize. I I made copies of it and I blew it up just so I could, you know, look at them. Uh but um but maybe maybe see if we can make some plans available, you know, it for people who want to get there a little bit beforehand to to get

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it. But it's all a part of your uh package, isn't it? Everything >> town hall. Yeah. There's nothing nothing new that hasn't been submitted. It's just >> So in the town hall and I I don't I think it's a viewable electronically so you can enlarge it. um like I did.

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>> Yeah, that's how I got through it. I just zoomed in on the areas that I needed to look at and the elevations and everything else. >> Okay. All right. >> Mr. Can I just ask a question, please? Procedural. >> Yes.

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>> Thank you. Um so the only notice that I received was for lot four. And so it wasn't until I joined this meeting that I found out that there are four lots altogether. Should the abuters have been notified of each one of these

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>> if it's within the 300 feet Mr. Neand correct? >> Yeah. So the town gives us the list of the abutters to be notified. So you must not be within the your property must not be touching within the 300 feet of the other parcels. >> Okay. >> Thank you.

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>> Excellent. Okay. So we have a motion to adjurnn. Do we have a second? >> Second. >> Second. We have a motion and a second. Any discussions on the motion hearing? None. Mr. Burton. >> Yes. >> Mr. Cohen. >> Yes.

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>> Mr. Hunt. >> Yes. >> Mr. Heaton. >> Yes. >> Mr. Riley. >> Yes. >> And I vote in the affirmative. Also, we are adjourned. Everyone, thank you very much. Congrats. Thank you. I I apologize for the for the

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disjointed part of the the questions and sorry I had to be so be so strict, but it's it's the law and I have to I have to abide by the law to make sure that um whatever we do is not appealable or that I had to make a mistake on on procedural

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grounds. And we have so and we have uh three lawyers on the board and and one is the one one taking care of the proponent. So I have to be very very careful. >> I'm sorry. >> Mechanical engineer and a builder. >> I'm sorry. This is Paul Champlain.

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We are injured Let me know. >> I know