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[music] [music] It's Thursday, August 13th. Got a motion to open the meeting. >> I'll make a motion. >> A second. All in favor? >> I did talk to Sydney. She's got a bunch for us at some point because she's still

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doing them like remotely watching the videos. I have them hopefully another meeting. All right. Fire chief is here. I put on the top of the uh the agenda firefighters association out coming up in a couple weeks. I know Tom was here

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at the last meeting as well just talking about really two things. One, be able to use B&B cers and also a request on the sitting fee. And I put the gators on here. I just wanted to make it kind of official that everything that's fine with them using that. So we need to

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discuss it. I know long term especially moving into next year clubhouse we need to overhaul everything how we look at things in groups but just to get through the rest of the season looking potentially for a motion to just say that it's fine the five of us for the Christian firefighters association

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to use DND caterers for their outing. I'll make a motion. >> I'll second discussion on that motion. >> Uh so you want to use D and D just because what was the reason for that? >> Um they had a meal that we wanted to

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have and it was uh cheaper price point. [snorts] >> Any other questions for anybody? All those in favor of on the DND caterers say I >> I

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no one's opposed. Okay. >> Is that part of it? So the followup part is the memo that [clears throat] fire chief had sent that I voted to you guys a couple weeks ago just requesting a waiver of the $1,000 sitting fee. I know that's something that's kind of a relevant may have been

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on the forum for a while, but it's really been consistently following it or not following it. And in my own personal feeling on this is where it's our own town department, our own fire department. They've helped us whenever we needed help here at the course. I

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don't see an issue if we wanted to wave a sitting fee given the nature that it is an actual town. And speaking for myself, I don't know if anybody else feels that way, but I would make motion myself that we wave the sitting fee for the efficient firefighters association.

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>> I got a question. What is >> Somebody should second this first before we discuss that. >> What is a sitting fee? What does that determine? What does that give us? What does that give them? What do we have to do? >> Anybody know?

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It's um [clears throat] so when you order a meal off of our vendor, our price is tagged in on that price, which is why it's probably cheaper not getting it off of our menu. Um and so for those people that don't order

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meals off of our vendors, uh you basically rent the tent. >> They rent the tent. And what else comes with that? >> The tent. >> That's it. you don't for um Manny and Ed and you guys seconded it

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for the um Bana Open and then that as you know most uh events have uh the same players in them. So then that spread to another outing and then another outing and so everybody started doing it. So the the fee was obviously too low

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because we weren't making what we should be making because you're going to make about 000 bucks on the grill. So if you give it up, you're giving up your own revenue. >> I got another question. >> From the grill, when the grill's open, 1:00 tea time to 6:00, how much money do

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we make off just the grill, not the booths? On a function day and on a regular day, >> you're probably going to make well a weekday you're going to make about not including booze, >> right? Just the food >> about 500 bucks on a weekday on the

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weekend about 7 800 bucks. Outing might be a little bit more as you know outings guys come prepared to spend. >> Yeah. >> So listen, we've gone through this before. Your business model essentially is golf supplies, food, alcohol,

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[snorts] and golf. As you move into your next life of evolution of of business, uh I've had numerous discussions with multiple guys on the committee, and we I said it last time, you'll probably end up setting up a program that'll be

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inclusive of options for golf and a food package. Golf and plan B of food package golf and a plan C or D and then you kind of tie it all together as if you want to come here and play golf in order to support the function the facility you're going to

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buy golf from us and you are going to buy a supporting food option from us because that's why we built the place you're not going to >> Kevin Gasper is not going to spend $3.5 million >> this has to do with Kevin

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this has to do with us right here figuring out what we need to do to finish this year and then next year go forward. Okay. As far as I know, first off, how many how how many functions actually eat here?

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They all don't use the food here. I meant like bring their own caterers. How many >> bring their own caterers? >> Yeah. Or bring in >> I don't we don't allow them to bring their owners. >> All right. So, Ricardis, >> we use Ricardis. We do have uh Top Shelf brought their own caterer. Um I think we

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had another another uh event. The PJ Keing brought in Century House. They paid the $1,000. The other one played paid $1,000. That's it's part of the business model. We uh as our responsibility to the town of Kushner,

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we're here to raise money and charge for the services rendered. >> All right. We I agree with that concept. Another concept that I'm thinking of moving forward is if you're going to do um flexible programs, then you can do

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all for the services. Do you want the beverage c? You're going to pay 150 bucks for the beverage c and then you can buy products off it. If you want to do you want the grill or you want to bring your own your your own smoked barbecue. If you bring your own smoked

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barbecue, then you don't need the grill guy. If you want the grill guy, well, that's that's going to be another $150. So, you're going to move into a realm of having a product line of services rendered and fees for those services. That's what I >> Dan, I don't disagree with anything that

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you're saying there, >> especially going forward. >> Yeah. No, that's all I'm doing. >> My point of >> I'm sharing the the vision of where we're going. That's all. >> What can we do today? >> You can do it if you want. >> I know what I'm saying. The reason I put on you is what can we do today for our own town department in the condition

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that we exist now meaning you know it's the tent and whatever not investing all this money to make us you know the next 28 years of our lives here right >> so absolutely I don't disagree [snorts] with one thing you're saying about this our menus or yeah especially when we invest money we need to make that money

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absolutely >> I said chief wants to ask a question not so much ask a question it's just add a couple of things into it um so what I I was looking at with DND was strictly for lunch. There was an add-on option to the lunch package that I selected that could

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have added on hamburgers or hot dogs and I did not go with that. I have zero intention on stepping on the grill's toes. So while the course while the the tournament's happening, everybody comes to the turn, they can go, they can grab

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whatever they want off the grill at, you know, paying you guys. Not stopping you guys from from doing that. I don't want to stop you guys from doing that. And basically my thought process or my my memo to to you, Mr. Flynn, was basically uh if you don't ask, it's a no. If you

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ask, maybe something happens and there's a little bit bit of flexibility. That that was that was it. That was all. >> I appreciate that. Again, just to restate my own personal interest in even entertaining this is because of who this group is and it's our town. It's not,

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you know, the pick on Swans the Swansea girls softball league coming here and asking for an accommodation from us. It's, you know, it's our own town, our own town fire department. And that's my own personal reason why I was entertaining this. So I did >> well I would say one more

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>> in response to that um the >> to be fair I would say to >> I would recommend um instituting this as a policy for next season because we already had the accush police. So to offer them a discount and not offer the

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police the same discount is kind of a shows a little bit of disrespect in my opinion. Well, it's not so much disrespect. >> Did the police ask for a particular discount? >> I'm just saying I I you know, just for my 50 cents, I agree with Dave. I mean,

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we have if we have town organizations, the Kushner police, a Kushet senior center, a Kushnet Fire Department, anything that's a Kushner Kush library, political league, I mean, they're they're town representation basically almost all town

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residents. So, I I think it's um it's worth uh you know, as as Dave said, it's worth a courtesy to to the basically to the town. >> So, the way the way you say that, Steve, is basically you could almost find any kind of a way to make any outing a town outing.

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>> No, you can't. >> Well, you just mentioned four or five different ways and so how do you got police, you've got fire, >> you said >> you got town organizations, >> there was little league you just someone mentioned. There was, you know, if what if what if I'm related to someone in the

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town hall? Is, you know, you're you're exaggerating. You're you're >> I just feel like in a state organization in a municipal >> golf course. You got to be black. You got to be white. They can't. It's tough to be gray. >> Well, you're being you're being black

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and white. If you're not in this if you're not officially associated with the town of Kushet, then it doesn't apply. >> So, what does officially associated mean? Well, I mean, it's relatively simple, Adam. You have police, you have fire. If you have if you have a little league, those are town residents and

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town residents kids. Okay. So, I don't see why you wouldn't include them. >> So, you're saying town residents, too? >> Well, no, not because you already offer a discount to town res. >> What I'm saying is it's a town organization, an official or an official

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organization of the town of Pretty simple. >> So, it's town organization. not muddying the waters with different organizations. >> You're not muddy. It's an official organization of the town of Ausha. You're not muddying anything. >> And the thing is I want to stop this just for a second only because we're

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getting into the whatifs down the road right now. I mean, I want to keep it to what's on the agenda, which is the fire department and their outing. This is absolutely discussion we need to have going forward. Sure. >> For what and we can absolutely have classifications. Now you do need to be kind of rigid in your classification

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because everybody even if you had four group four is going to try and be three. Three is going to try and be two potentially, right? So you need to be clear. >> Things like that happen all the the time in other things. Whether you rent a facility from the school, there are different groups that are going to pay a different rate. Some are going to pay

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fee for the gym sometimes, some going to pay for the custodian sometime, right? Same thing at whether it's Old Colony, whether it's C schools, whether it's the high schools. And they all have group classifications. I see that same type of thing could easily apply here and you can define and say are you actually affiliated with the town? Yes, maybe

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group one. Then the next one is okay. It's not run by the town but it is a town. Maybe the group too. I'm just throwing these things out there for down >> if we come back to tonight in the fire department. I just the request is there. I told you I will put the request out for an actual

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>> vote of us. I think it's worth discussing. Absolutely. I don't think anyone made a second. We really shouldn't be discussing without a second. So I I made the motion. Does anybody want to make the second before we keep discussing >> for a sitting fee? >> Yes. Just

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>> Oh, I I'll wait. Yeah. >> Well, no. Well, we need a second. My motion was to wait. Somebody needs to second the motion before we just continue discussing. >> I'll second it. >> So, I made it. John seconded it. Now, we're officially discussing it. So, I think I I have to agree with Dana

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that because we've had two people, two functions already pay the sitting fee uh in another town function already happen. Um I think it's tough to to make a change and I I understand why we're discussing it, but I think it's

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difficult to make a change >> during the season. >> Pay a sitting fee or did they pay? >> They bought the Ricardi Smith. So then that, you know, and there is a a town function discount, right? There's a there's a per per play,

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>> right? >> Correct. >> Discount. So So they get a $5 per player >> discount at I hear there's 100 plus players in this event, maybe full boat. >> Right now we're at 2019.

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>> Doing everything in my power to get it to 36. Then you get the forsomes. That's worth money. So if you tally up $1,000, free forsesomes, the resin discount, you're triple dipping and giving away like

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three grand on a full full event. >> So if you allowed what if you if you allowed D&D caterers to come in and ARV tapped on a the margin that they would normally make for having their own function come in or even Maybe a couple

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dollars less. I don't know. The outing gets their meal that they want. >> Preferred vendor. >> A preferred Yeah. their caterer and Caribbe gets a portion of what they would have received >> from having frankly with their own the

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vendor that they they normally choose. And it sounds like that's >> kind of a win both ways, but that was my thought. I didn't even know the fire I mean the police department gave a thousand bucks they did so they didn't

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>> they did ricotti so they didn't give a thousand bucks for a s fee >> and that's a gray area >> very gray >> what's gray about it >> what's gray about it why do we only have one catering operation in here

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Have as many as you want. >> Well, okay. So, Ricardi pays who? I don't understand the sitting fee, Dana. I don't understand, >> John. You were on the first run of this sitting fee and you guys voted it in. It's not something I created. You're trying to make it look like I did this.

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>> No, I'm not I'm not blaming you. I was modified to fit your program. >> I asked about this many times and and there's no clear answer to it. I I'm not blaming you. I don't know. I never read anything about a sitting thing ever. Have you? >> No, I haven't. >> He's new. You wouldn't know. You've been

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here. How long? >> 20 years. Have you? >> You voted for it. >> I don't remember. I'm sorry, but I don't remember doing that. It's on the tape. >> Okay. All right. Whatever. >> I'm not making it up. >> Well, >> listen. You know damn well that if I put this in effect, Manny and Ed would have

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crucified me from the flag pole. >> Well, I >> This is not my creation. All I'm doing is running your program. Whatever you guys want to do, I don't care. It ain't my house. I'm just trying to run the court. While everybody else is doing their jobs, I'm doing my job. Make sure

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you guys are making money. That's why you pay me to be here. So, that's what I do. That's all. >> When is the outing again? >> Last time of the month. >> 9:00 a.m. >> 9. [clears throat and cough] >> My thoughts on the sitting fee. I mean,

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they they're requested. I personally am in agreement because it's a town. it's a town entity that I have no problem waving a fee for a town entity. I mean, if the fire department goes to the town hall because they need to put the

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building permit, that fee gets waved. So, in the sense of waving fees, I don't have an issue because it's a town function. Um, it's a sitting fee also. I kind of feel that was offered when we

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offered more like steak dinners and we did that stuff. we offered more for the to get to request a sitting fee if you're not going to use what we're going to offer you. Um I mean I don't know how long we haven't had stance for

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but I mean that's just my two cents in it. Um I was wondering too I don't I don't know the answer to what I'm going to say is but when say the police say they're fine with their parties and there's nothing wrong with their food. It's just it is what it is. might want something different. If you

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tell them, you know, we've been making this up, it's $20 a person for food. Are they thinking, oh, well, it's really 15 and ARV is tacking on five to get to the 20 or they just thinking, oh, it's 20 bucks fine price our outing accordingly. You know what I mean? So, guess

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inherently they paid it, but also were they even aware that they were paying a markup to maybe they were, maybe they weren't. And I'm not saying it's again, I don't think there's anything wrong with that model. is not associated with the town. So, I'm not anti having this out there either.

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>> Whatever you want to do that any um that any function hall would have if you go to a wedding or something like that or a banquet environments for whatever you want to call it when you calculate your what you're offering per cost. I mean, I

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used to do this in the private club. We always included our extra or our profit and you know if it was a member function it was different because it was a member. If it was an outside function sponsored by a member then the price was different in that regard too. But it's

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always it's always worked in. So [snorts] and I don't I don't hate the idea of waving a sitting fee. I just think the optics of it don't look that great just because the police have had their event and others have paid it. So that's my only

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>> others have paid it outside. So is the police the only town organization that has not or or paid a uh sitting fee? >> As far as I know, they're the only other town organization that has a tournament. >> The Lions don't come here anymore. No >> for reasons unbeknownsted.

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>> Um >> too expensive. too many holes. >> Yeah. >> Too many strokes. >> Um so yeah, so that's that's the only one. Um >> I don't think baseball does.

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>> I don't think they do either. >> They used to a while ago or not. >> So I think you have a motion. >> Second. >> Anyone else have any other questions or anything they want to say about it? We do have a motion in a second of us. of

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the request that was sent to us. [clears throat] >> I guess just going forward, I would like to stay consistent. I can see we're all in the same kind of thought process. I think we need consistency going forward. >> Oh, for sure. I agree with that. No,

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>> I have no issues with waving a fee for a cushion fire or police. I really It's a cushion. I get it. But I really think we need to work this out. >> Oh, absolutely. We need to growing from

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the trailer into a real operation. Absolutely. Even before next year's here, we should over the winter we tackle this, right? During the off season, that way before going into next year, every group can know exactly what to expect, >> options, and then might even just change again because next year we're not going

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to be fully operational from day one. So, it's going to definitely change once that is, but do we do something in the interim? Plenty of time. off months and their tournament would be on August 31st in a written request coming to us. I just wanted to make sure we at least discussed it. >> I think if whatever we do say it has to

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be clear that it's because it's a Kushnet. >> Yeah. >> Well, like they said, you could you could have rankings >> town of the actual town. >> I think that's [snorts] >> I it's up to everybody, but >> it's fun.

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>> All right. So, given that Call for a vote. All those in favor of waving the sitting fee for the Aushnet Firefighters Association because they are the talent of a Kushnet say. >> I I >> I. Anyone opposed?

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>> I was four to one. So that does pass. Thank you. Let's go to discuss. That's why there's five of us. When do you want me? >> As soon as soon as you can um for

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seven days out is best. >> I'll try to get >> sweet. Have a good night. >> All right. Operations update. >> Yes. We got I can make >> our discussions about

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everything on that list be done in another session or do you know what I mean? Is that or is that >> when we to make a an actual another like >> I'm just trying to >> sit down. Yeah, we should I mean if we're going to look at this and say the

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the form that is our contract and our observe groups, we should definitely even if we just take one night where that's the only thing we do on that one time and make that the focus of that one night >> like an executive session even though that doesn't matter. >> I mean it would have to be a public session but

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>> there's no valid >> doing it this way. It gets lost things get lost in the shuffle. They stop stuff and it don't end and then it keeps coming and coming. >> It's a good thing to have in a in a November December January [clears throat]

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just I did a real quick look online of like other courses and like their contract at least where I could find other ones I had on the website were you know a bit more not saying it's things that necessarily different from our practice but at least in black and white that we could find easily online. There were other courses that had other things

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out there that that laid these things out pretty clearly and even had exceptions if there were exceptions. So I think we just need to dedicate some night in this off season to reviewing that and see what we all think we should do going forward >> because this just snowballs, >> right?

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And we want to make and I agree, we want to be consistent, right? Even if we have groups, we need to be consistent. Define what it is and then be consistent because you're always going to have somebody who might be upset about something. But if we we have a policy or whatever and it's there and we're consistent with it, then at least that's

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what we can refer back to. You know, it is the haven behav group's policy is a cushion, right? Behaven is not a cushion. So that's why we've made this distinction between these two groups X and Y, right? And we

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have something to point to because it is kind of on the fly right now and ideally it shouldn't be that way. that you should put some type of um package together as to almost like a

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they can pick pick the discount. >> Do you want the forms? Do you want the resident rate? >> Do you want the sitting fee, but to clock in on all three? >> Um I mean it's not a good practice as far as of trying to run a business.

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That's all. So, uh yeah, take a look at the numbers. You got July in uh forecast is 3 um 3335 and we did 3662. So, it's a pretty decent start. We did have uh quite a few rain days um a

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maintenance day. So, you we lost about four four and a half days maybe in that. And it's a pretty good um pretty good turnout for uh for that. Um and >> behind last July. >> Yeah. Yep. And um definitely um more

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rain this July than last July. Um in August right now uh we are uh well ahead of plan. So not sure we'll hit the 400, but that that's my goal now as we're in peak season. Any any month in peak season, I want to hit the 400. But um

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we'll see see how the weather goes. It looks pretty good right now, but I think what next week the the forecast might have to >> No, you have do you have Well, you have showers Monday night and Sunday night into Monday. I don't think it's going to be a significant disturbance. I mean, I was sitting here this morning at 4:30

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and they were telling us that we were going to have an inch to two inches of rain that was going to come flying through here at 7 8:00, lightning and all the rest. >> So, I changed my entire schedule. And I'm sitting out there watching not a raindrop drop out of the sky. >> There it is.

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>> Who knows? Who knows how far down we can go with what they're >> about 25 and coming back from uh Woodl. >> I saw on the radar to go 35. >> I was just going to say I saw a big red thing go through. Just missed us. >> Yeah, just missed us. Is

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>> you could hear it see the >> Paul Paul was calling like I don't know. dock over the water. I know that. >> Yep. Um, so react real quick. Bullet points. I really don't have too much. Um, pro shop. We're just filling in

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gaps, getting through the peak season. Repairs. Carts are always, as you walk by, the guy repairing CS again. We just had seven repaired. >> There were 16 carts down here this week that need some type of attention. >> Yeah, the brushes, the belts, the brakes.

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>> Yeah, the the brake. Well, the brake cart, I don't know where that guy or gal, whoever had it was going, but they ripped the brake cable right out from under the bottom, snapped off the connection where the brake cable attaches, and the guy didn't even have

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the parts. I mean, they had to they had to order the parts. The ports are on parts are on back order. So, I don't know where that particular individual was going, but as sure as hell wasn't on on the short grass or on on the cart path. And >> well, the good news on that was there's

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no compaction cuz he was [laughter] guess you laugh these the the do you're talking you the dollars and cents to keep these carts is rolling up and rolling up and rolling up. >> But I got to say too, I I don't think

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the quality is is quite there because he's doing more brushes this year on these carts than we've ever done. He said he's doing the last one cuz he ran out on all the CS that were up here that we brought up today. >> Yeah, they start with the starter generator. >> The old dune buggy ones we had. Those things would just they would run. You

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beat him to hell and guys could rig the governors, but they still >> Well, they're like they're like the car that you buy from down the streets. >> They they can't if they make them the way they used to make them, then they don't sell anymore and you don't make any more money off them. So, I think

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you're right in that respect that they're they're not as good a quality as they have been in the past and especially I mean everything's plastic now. >> I'm glad he uh Stephen enlightened me to the it's different cotton numbers. So, I was heated because I thought the guy was

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just wheeling them putting them back in in rotation and not fixing them. Say, "Hey, I got you all set." Cuz the same day that he left, we put four more back up. Every cart every cart that comes down here that that Norm works on, he records [clears throat] the number of the cart and what he does.

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>> So he spent, you know, with the exception of putting different kinds on the airator, he spent the entire day working on golf carts. >> Wow. >> So >> which you know, which I don't mind occas got. We got outing Friday and Saturday.

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>> Yep. >> But >> and the beverage cart got uh got revamped again as well, so it should be running. Um >> yeah, that died on the last event, so we switched out to the flatbed. >> I don't know if it's the it appears as

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though it was just the battery. It may have been the charging system, but um we put it on the charger, check the system. I mean, that's the problem with You take it out, you you drive it around for 15, 20 minutes, it operates fine, and then, you know, they take it out, drive it

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around for 35 minutes, and it craps out. So, >> um, all right. And then, so, uh, that's the repairs, uh, staffing. I did have several names I submitted, uh, for hire. The only one that got put through, um,

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was a Bag Boy, and we did have some other ones, um, for shop attendance and Beverage C. uh personnel. I'll uh resubmit those and see if we can get those moving. But uh kids are going back to school August 19th. I'm losing half my college kids on that date.

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>> How many kids you losing? >> Um right now I'm losing three on the 19th and then I don't have the dates for the other kids yet. But um >> So you need more kids to end up this season? >> U possibly >> somebodyies better.

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And so listen, this isn't it's it you're you're looking at customer service, right? It's not like um you just the kids are filling Steve will tell you the kids fill a lot of gaps >> for the for the bodies that you don't have, right? I mean, we're not paying full-time wages. Uh we're we're

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utilizing their energy. Um and you know, the fact that they're quick learners and and they they'll essentially do what you need them to do, but it is a temporary basis, right? Because they they have their their lives that they're trying to build into. That's that's we've been in this

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position since we've been in existence. Um >> post something online that >> um well I have more outside I have uh I have uh three that I can I have two already submitted. If I can

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get those put through that'll help obviously and then I will cross trainin them to fill some of those gaps to get us through. Um some of the kids that are local will pick up some of the hours uh that are available and um >> might make sense just to get some applications and just to have

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applications just post something just so you need somebody you could reach out to them. I don't know. >> Yeah. I had you have a two other apps that I didn't bring them on because I was >> because the crux of it is if you give them too little hours they don't stay because it's not enough hours that

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they're looking for for the summer. if if you give them too many, then it's too many for a part-time worker, then they go back to school and now, you know, I mean, there's there's a fine balance between the two. So, I do have a couple of backup applications that I can go to and pull up and and submit. Uh, it just

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should be understood um by the board of select. These are not um they're not fluff positions. They are critical to providing services to the customers in a business that is sold out every single day. It's not like we used to be where

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you have gaps everywhere and kids are hanging out all day. You you're constantly I mean just the CS alone, cotss breaking down, you got 16 CS this week. If I don't have those kids to say, "Hey, I need you to hustle up, grab that cot, bust it out, get another c to that customer."

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>> If Dave's out on the 14th hole and his c's dying, he's got to walk two holes, three holes. He's hot. I just paid green fees and now I'm carrying my bag, dude. You know, I don't know about you, but I don't want to be carrying my bag walking around playing golf the in 85 degree heat. Um, so I mean, that's just where

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we're at. But hopefully we can get some some apps through and and uh get the names processed the staffing. I was uh requesting a a backup uh a backpack blower for the tent and the CS as we head into cooler temps. Um having a

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powerful blower assist the old guys. I got three guys are in their mid 80s. Blows the condensation off the off the seats. >> You sure you want a back? You going to be strapping a backpack boiler on them guys? >> My guysavy. >> My older guys don't use I mean I have

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the younger guys blow off the equipment for the older guys. >> Well, the >> we get you. I I have no problem getting not doesn't have enough juice. Um and so they they're the ones asking me for a better blower. So, >> well, I I'll look to see what they what

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they have, but you get once you get past a certain CC, they're all they they weigh a pretty decent amount. I mean, you know, not for, you know, not for Kevin or I or somebody to strap on, but for, you know, I don't uh I don't

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have Ever and Conrad strap on back >> I think if you need something that's a few hundred bucks, just get the appropriate thing, right? So I know you said backpack. Maybe that's not the right thing. But you need >> something more power. >> I get it. But just it depends on, you know, >> get the right thing for the people who are going to use it. >> Yes.

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>> We need the juice. >> They have senior citizen backpack. >> How many how many clothes do you have, Steve, on this side? >> How many backpacks do I have? >> Yeah, >> five. >> They're pretty hefty. because I got, you know, >> maybe I'll send up a couple of the older

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guys and have them pick them up and try using them and see if if it works. >> They can look at the the still the new still is probably the lightest. Like the other day when we, you know, when we ran the dry jack because of the, you know, because of our staffing um numbers um in

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the time which we did it, we were able to put five guys out there on backpack blowers. [snorts] So, we were done brushing and cleaning up a green every 10, 15 minutes as opposed to 25 to 30 minutes that it took before with one or two people. >> You have the egos on the um is that what

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it's called? The battery powered ones. >> Well, we have we have the battery powered on the triplexes. >> Do you get that from a distributor here? Like that you always >> Well, we used to get it from a distributor, but they had so much problems with the Everybody thinks electrical equipment is such the

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greatest thing in the world. It's not. These batteries are a pain in the butt. They don't last as long. The warranty on the battery is very minimal. And the distributor that we used to get the distributor that we got them [clears throat] from I called him up and asked him about the

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batteries. We had four batteries that are basically dead and they're only a year old. And he said, "We don't deal with them anymore." I said, "What do you mean?" And you know, and I've been dealing with Corny for years. And he told me, he said, "Listen," he said, "Those people are harder than hell to deal with. They don't give you, you can't get anything from them. You can't get parts from them." So I just got fed

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up and said, "Okay, I'll sell something else." You know, skip you. >> But I got the lightweight. I got those lightweight just for the guys. I mean, they use in the, you know, sometimes the triplexes will drop clippings on the greens when you're cutting and they take a quick, you know, quick shot with that thing. You know, that, you know, the

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antills that might be out there, the, you know, >> I was just thinking that might be an option that's lighter. I don't know. Just >> it's it's light, but it's not going to be any stronger than the one that they currently have. then you have to have a charging station and all that garbage. So, they have a

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they have a smaller CC output um than I mean ours are the heavy duty ones because we using the blow plugs and and leaves and whatnot. So, >> okay. >> And then just my last one, it's a wordy way of saying just requesting that um to

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consider possibly on future projects we have the the the trucks. It's uh it's a tough go with a full T- sheet um having those guys buzzing back and forth and they were uh having kids on site working. My guys

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anyways, I see the kids buzzing around getting stuff done. They're not expecting. They're kids, right? They're good kids. They're smart kids, but they're buzzing around trying to get stuff done. They're not thinking that there's going to dump truck coming around the corner. So, I just see it as

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uh you know, something if we can avoid it, we can try to avoid We had one project where that was an issue. This currently one that we did. And seeing as how we're not setting it we're not setting these projects up as

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uh for lack of a better word organized projects. No, I >> this was this is something that I well that's that >> in order to get that done without you know going out to bid and getting a contract or doing all that we had to do

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it when people are available. >> Yes. Yes. >> And >> with your guys and his guys. >> Yeah. So, we didn't bring in, you know, we didn't do it on Tuesday, obviously, because that would have been silly. And we finished up today. Um, so there wouldn't have um there wouldn't have

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been any issue with interfering with tomorrow. Um, but normally projects would be done at, you know, at specific times given the fact that we we've got those projects um, you know, out to bid or plan. But we haven't, you know, with

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the exception of um, you know, discussing the clubhouse, we haven't discussed one bloody project, whether it be a car path work or anything else. >> So, on a bare minimum, just throwing out there, all we need is two, like we can't schedule next Monday because it's already booking, right? But if you can

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find out if what your time frame is and it's going to you can do it within, you know, outside of that realm and say, "Hey, I know it's not on the sheet for maintenance Monday, but can you pop in one on two weeks from now to use that Monday?" No. And that's easy enough. I just don't open it up, block it, and then we do the project.

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>> Yeah, we'll start on third or something. >> What? Yeah, whatever we need to do. >> Well, the problem there hardly any projects that are going to be completed in a three-hour window on a Monday morning. >> When you normally speak of mainten this

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this time of year is when most courses will take their their maintenance opportunities. And most people, it's maintenance week. It's not maintenance three hours. It's not maintenance Monday or Tuesday. It's maintenance three or four days or maintenance week.

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Obviously, this time of year, that's not the appropriate thing for us to do. So, we need to plan ahead. So, we're looking at getting on a contractor's list or somebody else's list so we can say, "Okay, this is going to happen October

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1st to October 5th or it's going to happen April 1st to the end of April, depending on the weather." That way, we all can know we can put it up there. We can put a sign up and say, "Sorry, you know, sorry for the interruption, but this work's going to take place at this

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particular time." But we have to schedule these things. We have to talk about them. And you have to do it at least a year ahead of before you want to do it because these guys are all booked. You call up, you know, Dan Tibbitz or any of these contractors say, "Hey, can you do some work for me in October?" uh,

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forget it [laughter] because they're they've already I mean, they have to stay in business. So, they have to book these things ahead of time. That's why we do all the aeration and other planning ahead of time. if you don't do it. I mean, the guy who did the dry the minute he was finished, I said, "Okay, we'll open up your book, put us in the

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schedule for the same time frame next year." >> I'd like to talk about that when we get there. >> And I just have listed uh to I don't know if you guys want to go over to discuss the org chart that was presented or if you want to hold that table it for

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another time, that's fine if you like. But that's all I've got besides I've got right now. far as that I created. Again, that was just my version at that point in time. It's not wasn't to say that this is what it is. It was my interpretation of how we think currently.

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>> So, if you want to either put the if you want to [snorts] revise it or get that ready for the next meeting and we'll put that on. I I only had two two cents to throw on it was um with regards to perception um in the realm of the municipality, whatever has

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transpired between the hiring of myself and Steve and now nothing has ever been uh officially changed or modified in any way. So, I know, you know, I might do different things than I used to do. St. Steve may do different things than when

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he started, but um I was hired as a director of golf and then I recruited Steve from Valley Crest to come on board. So, nothing really officially >> Whoa, whoa, whoa. >> Changed. >> Steve was hired by Environmental Golf and started

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January 1st, 2001. Steve was not bought in by anybody else. >> Third party, correct? You weren't a town employee. >> Well, no, I was. No, I wasn't town employee. >> So, the committee had a discussion. >> No, the committee. It wasn't the committee. It was Alan Cino. Alan Cino

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called me into the office, sat me down, discussed it, >> take you to dinner, and we went to Cafe Roma several times and had a discussion about coming on board as a town employee. >> Did we went we went out to eat. It wasn't so much it wasn't a significant discussion. of that coming

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employee that was preempted with discussion about possibly seeking to see if you were interested. Then my opinion was asked if I thought you were the right candidate for the position whereupon we had more discussions and then Alan Cino came on board to ask you

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if you want to come on board. So, >> well, Al Alex Tino came to me and asked you by me specifically. >> No, you know, time out. I'm not going there. I'm not going to have that on TV. But y'all were you all didn't recruit me

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for nothing, son. And that ain't going this discussion ain't going no further than that. >> Let's not go any further than that, son. >> No. Well, no, because you have no qualifications to recruit myself for the position [snorts] that I filled. So, please don't go there. >> All right. Let rest. Let's go. Give it a

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rest. >> You left the chairs. I mean, Jack, >> Dana and Steve, >> let's get this. >> Like I said, I'm not going to carry the conversation any further. I don't agree with that comment. >> Yeah,

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>> don't eyeball me. >> I'm not going to respond to that. What's next? >> Steve's main update is next. All right, couple few things to get uh grass for everybody. Um for the most part, we're holding our own. Um we

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experienced some significant heat and humidity over the past couple of weeks which have bought on, you know, an increase in disease pressure uh and what have you, but we've been able to um keep our, you know, heads above water on that. Um, we still continue to have

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issues with cart traffic. Um, and it continues to be stressful on uh the weakened turf and fairways as well as in areas where the rough is minimal or isn't as is as as wide um in some places as it could be. Um, and other places

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where traffic is concentrated. Um, we did complete fairway aation on holes one through nine on Monday the 3rd of August. Um approximately 11 11:30 I stopped the aation because of the significant amount of rain we had. Of

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course was saturated and there was we really weren't creating a um you know a hole when we were airrating and which would have um eliminated air exchange and you know um water infiltration. So we stopped that and we finished the

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aation of holes 10 through 18 on Tuesday. Um also on Monday the 3rd we were able to complete a half inch solid time aation of greens on Monday um the 3rd and then followed behind that was the

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dryject aation on Tuesday the 4th which was completed um probably I think we complete well the the machines themselves were completed around 11:00 our guys completed the cleanup and there 3:30

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um we do We have one other air. We have an aation deep time [clears throat] aation scheduled for Monday 9th of November. Play will be delayed at that day until 11:00 a.m. off first te. We could get off first TE sooner. Um depending on how many machines we can

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get in here. If we can get in three machines, we could get in sooner. Although being in November, um you're going to have to play with the weather and might possibly have to play with the frost. So we'll have to look at uh look at that. Um is is possibly impacting

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that time to start. Now, um before I go past that, Neil, you said something about you wanted to comment on >> Yeah. Is the deep tin aation are you guys doing that? >> No, we don't have we don't have the call. Yeah, the deep tation is going to

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be sports scapes. Who who did the uh fairway solid time aation? I just from what I've heard, you know, I just wish we could move the aeration not in the beginning of August. It's just

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what I would what I see at other courses. You just don't see irration, you know, that early. I know you have to get it in the schedule and the dry jack is excellent for the greens. I understand all that. I was thinking maybe if we could do something I don't know if dry is good in the fall might

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not be you know >> the reason the reason we do the dryject in the fall >> is because the dry is is a labor intensive activity the company shows up with three or four machines and three or four operators.

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They don't show up with anybody to physically move the sand load the machines. >> Yes. So the reason we did it in August is because we had six or seven 18y old guys here to haul the sand and move the sand. >> I wouldn't have any problem doing it

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later if I had the staffing to do it later. It's not um you know the dry can be done in, you know, it can be done in the spring and the fall, but in the spring, you know, we're sitting there, you're looking at June because kids don't get out of school or college until then. And you need two people on each

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machine to keep the machines fed. Yeah, I saw that you had two with each machine going. >> So that's that's why we do that then. And I figured, you know, we'd scheduled the fairway aation at about the same time so we we get everything done in that window. Now, you know, I mentioned

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before >> I don't mind the fairway. It's just the greens is tough. >> Yeah. Well, I mean, I mean, it it it rolled out. Um we didn't have any significant problems with it. Um, and you know, it'll be healed within within a week. But if I choose, if I try to do

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it, let's put it this way, if you want to do it in the spring, the fall, then we don't do the dry jack because we don't have we don't have the physical capability to do it. >> Do you feel like the dry jack needs to be done every year? Um, I like to dry eject to be done because the idea about fighting fighting

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thatch and keeping your greens firm is is dilution and the only way you can dilute is to inject sand into top dress and I mean it's I you know it's very frustrating to try to get the signific the appropriate

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agonomic practices done here because you know not only do you have one player after the other player after the other player But you have people complaining about, you know, sand and complaining about this and oh, you're, you know, you're in

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front. Well, you know, if you top dress, you have to brush it and you can't brush what sand. So, you have to brush dry sand. I get >> so there's a lot of things that you need to do that >> we're not capable of doing because of the circumstances with which we have to

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work. But the November 9th deep time pushing sand in there, doesn't that like do we have to >> No, you're you're talking about a completely different operation. The deep tine is goes into the ground approximately 8 to 10 in in some cases

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12. When the tines go in, the tines kick forward and backwards. What they do is they break that normal level of compaction that you get because a normal air raator is only going to go 4 in deep maximum. So if you keep on pounding at four inches and four inches and four

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inches, you're going to create a compaction layer. You put the deep kind in, come in, loosens that up. The other thing the deep kind does is it gives you a/2 inch to 3/4 in hole that's going to stay open for the most part throughout the winter. You might not see it on the

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surface, but the cavity itself is going to stay open for the most part. So it's going to help you with drainage. is going to help you with um relieving again like I said relieving compaction and it's going to help you with that snow melt. So that snows if it that snow

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and ice melts is going to fill those cylinders. It's not going to sit on the surface and freeze and and cause the problems like we had in the fourth grade. >> How long have we been dryjecting like every year? Like when did we start? >> I started drying.

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We skipped a few years in between, but I've been dryjecting here. Geez, 15 years anyway. >> Every year. >> Yeah. Try to get done every year. I mean, we start I started we started with a company, you know, RF Morris used to do it. >> I don't know if you're familiar with them. They used to be the big equipment

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distributor, fertility distributor work there and all that stuff. And then, >> you know, they disappeared. Um, and then there was a couple years there where we didn't do it because, you know, the contractor who had picked it up, um, really didn't do that, you know, um,

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that well of a job. Um, then the fellow Kevin McDunn who has it now does a real, you know, does a real nice job. Um, he's has the, uh, contract up in this area. So then we pick, you know, once Kevin started doing it, we picked it back up with him. >> Okay. So that's why

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>> I think Ed shut it down for a couple years too for the cost. >> Well, he may have shut it down because again, you know, we tried to do it at certain times of the year when when we didn't have the younger staff, but we, you know, >> I understand more why you're doing it

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with the staff here. It's just I can't stand the the greens being irrated than the >> regular with with Neil. We we played we actually played together on Sunday morning, >> August, what was that? on Sunday and just it it just it wasn't

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great in in that I feel like in August that's almost your still you're still peak. Um >> so when did you play and it wasn't great? >> Sunday. >> Sunday morning >> this past Sunday, >> right? Just um I'm normally and I I look I get it. I get there's a need for it. I

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understand. I just see it just seems to me the perception is we're always poking holes into the greens. Yes. >> And I get it. We get a lot of play. More more play than anybody. >> Well, like I when when we first when I first bought it to your attention, you can either poke holes twice in the greens and have a big hole that takes

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forever to heal and put sand on the green for two and a half weeks, or you can go with a smaller hole, more frequently. The fact of the matter is you have to do it one way or another. >> And if you don't do it, then you're going to run into an issue. And if you'll notice, we don't we don't pull

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big cores on the greens anymore and leave a big mess. We pull small cores that are cleaned up and the holes are gone within two to three days. >> I'm definitely not saying you make a mess. You have very clean greens after you airate. I'm just trying to minimize the irration. >> Yeah. And I think Mel Lucas said we have

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the the perfect composition in his reports. He said your your sand to soil ratio and depth. >> That's why while in certain places we do. Uh but that's why you know that's why we're not taking it out. That's why we're not pulling a big core on the

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greens. >> You're pushing in with the dry jack is the idea. >> No. Well, the dry eject you're injecting sand. >> The idea behind a rations is is to open some form of channel whether it's uh for air and water exchange or whether it's

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for the injection of sand. There are other fac there are other machines that will put sand in but that's called a drill and fill. And you want to talk about this? I mean, that's a big machine. It's got a it's got a a plate on it about twice the size of this table. And it you pick the plate up, you

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move it, you put the plate down. All the drills come down, they drill a hole in the ground, they pick it up, it fills it with sand, then you pick the plate up and move it again. It's very labor. It's very labor intensive. Takes a very long time. >> I just feel like I I haven't been here long, but it just seems like you have

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your plan in place and we've [clears throat] never talked about the plan. It just it doesn't it's obvious what you're doing is working. You know, that's not what I'm saying here. I'm just saying >> I don't know if we should be dryjecting every year. It's probably expensive. I

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never seen the cost. >> I don't I >> expense. It is expensive. I mean, do you want to know the cost? I mean, the cost to have the service come in is $10,000. The cost for the sand was approximately $1,000. If you want to figure in labor, you figure in six guys eight out. Well,

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if you take from >> I don't mind the labor. They're already here. >> Yeah. So, I mean, but you if you wanted to get the total cost picture. So, if you ask me for what the cost of this most recent project deck aation process was, I'd say it was a pro, you know, giving tax here, not tax, but you know,

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change here there around 11,000 bucks for the whole thing. That's for the operator to come in. That's plus for the sand that's going through the machine. >> Okay. And that's that's what it cost. And obviously the biggest chuck is have the contractor. >> The fact the reason why you have the

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outside contractor is is because you personally don't want to buy four dry jacks just to use once or possibly twice out of the year. >> Right? >> You don't want to buy one because one's not going to get you anywhere because you're going to have take 18 days and disturbed golf for 18 consecutive days.

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Now, I mean, there's a lot of people have a lot of theories on on aation and doing this and doing that. Um, again, the reason we haven't I mean, I put together an aation plan. I put it out almost every year. I print it out. I give it I give it to everybody. Um, this

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is what we're going to do then. This is the size time we're going to use, so forth and so on. So, and I try to and and I sit down with this. >> Yeah. >> And I try to I try to fit it in here. >> That's the other thing. Where are you, you know, you have to look at this, you

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know, where are you going to fit it in? Where are you going to do the most good for what you're trying to achieve, but also do the less impact out there? And it's always about the lesser impact. >> And unfortunately, you have to have an

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impact at some time of the year if you're going to beat yourself to death and try to make $400,000 every month. That's just the fact of the matter. I mean, if you're going to have a, you know, a shotgun on a Saturday, a sun, or

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excuse me, a Friday, a Saturday, and a Monday where you don't give the the opportunity to do any of the normal activities. You just don't have enough time. If you look over there, those are my guys are starting at 5:00 and we'll barely squeak by getting what

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we need to get done before the outing starts. But I mean, I could sit here and say, "Okay, guys, you know what? We're going to cut greens. We're going to change cups and we're going to go home. Hell with it." But that's not the way I run an operation. We're going to try to get everything cut when we get it cut.

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If I had the staff, I'd be in here rolling greens on Saturdays and Sundays, but I don't have the staff. Don't have the equipment. But that's, you know, you talk about that. If I put that roller out there Sunday morning when you played, you wouldn't even you wouldn't have noticed it. I mean, I'm sitting out there now watching people putt the ball

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five, six, seven feet past the pit. and they're hardly even hitting it. I had a couple of my guys who played Tuesday night in the league and they said everything, you know, for them Tuesday afternoon, they said everything was rolling was rolling great. And they're not guys that sit here and pull your leg about it because they tell you when it's

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sucked, too. So, you know, um, in answer to your question, yeah, we could change the aeration date. We could put it off. We could skip the air the dry jack. >> You want me to skip the dry? I'll skip the dry jet. Is it agonomically appropriate for what we're trying to do here? stuff.

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>> John, can you have any insight from like where you are? Like what what do those guys do? What's their practice? >> We dry jet, but we dry jet twice a year and we airate twice a year. We air rate early spring, April. We just dry jetted Oh, Christ. Right

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after July 4th, but we're private and it's only nine holes. >> 10 holes. So, and then we'll do it again. Uh, >> you come in? >> No. >> So, you have your own drag jack machine? >> We we uh borrow it from Bay Club.

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Um because our superintendent was assistant there, so we get to we kind of swap things out here and there, >> but yeah, they do it. Uh >> do you close Does the course close for multiple days? >> No. >> Closes one day. >> Your you can't have much of a staff over there. >> We have six guys.

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>> Okay. And six guys get with irration and um sanding and freaking brushing and blowing. We get it done in one day. >> Okay. >> We got, you know, there's enough guys. They're all older guys. They got a few kids, but recently now it gets done

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twice, Adam. Dry twice regular. >> Oh, okay. So, you guys do it a lot. if fairways uh before this superintendent got there weren't done for 12 years. >> Wow. >> Yeah. Oh, so this new superintendent

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started last year doing it. I don't know if we're going to do it every other year. I think that's what he has in mind. Um because his fairways get freaking compacted and wow do they ever >> Well, you gota, you know, you have to

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consider what he's doing in the context of what he has to work with. >> Yeah. >> And that doing that type of practice every other year may be the best that he could do given pressures from the powers that be, given equipment, given money.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. And and it all comes down to what you said. We got He has to he has to contact this guy after this guy's done. He's got the next date for last year or the year after, >> right? >> So they come in. So we don't get on the phone and say, "Hey, you got any openings for varation?" No, it's booked

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way ahead. >> I want to talk about we get stuff, right? Because we had to cancel one year. Well, that's the other thing that I'm not I'm not going to go into detail on TV about, but we had one particular year where a dryjecting activity was

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scheduled and I was sitting at home, you know, tending to my tomato plants on a Sunday afternoon and I get a telephone call and telephone call basically told me to cancel the aeration that was scheduled for the following day.

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Now, >> right, >> I didn't argue because it wasn't my place to argue. I just mentioned that mentioned that I didn't think it was a good idea. Um, and I I got a different response than I expected, but it canled

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and that's why we lost our spot. >> Yeah. >> And then you couldn't get the spot back. It's the same spot I had for for a while. And to be quite honest with you, to call a guy up and cancel, he can't get anything in the next day. So he basically lost

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>> profit for one day and he was kind of ticked off at me, >> right? >> And so was the fairway guy. >> I get it real. >> So >> I think when the time comes to to plan like when you when you plan for that I think can you like give us kind of what the plan is? Talk about

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>> I gave you I gave the plan I don't know if I gave it at the beginning of this year because I I just changed the dates. I gave the plan two years ago and it it was went month by month. It went by the size of the time, the activity we're going to do, whether it need to be cleaned up, you know, cleaned up or not.

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It was the whole nine yards. >> All right. Yeah. >> I can give that. I mean, you know, and the other thing, too, I mean, >> you know, some guys get to the point where they look at it and see, you know, you say it's not worth the aggravation and they just stop. And those are the

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guys that are looking for another job in two or three years. >> Yeah. The course looks great. That's not >> Nobody likes to play on area green. It always stinks. >> That's the thing. I don't >> When I called up that was >> Well, that's what I do when I go down

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south is call >> two years ago. I made a phone call to go >> when you're doing aation. >> I said it's the week I was there and he said we'reating this week. Okay. Just letting you know we're airing. Would you like to book the T10? Yes, I >> would. Down here and see your decision. But yeah, I mean that could be done as

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long as we know about it ahead of time when the phone rings to book a tea time this week. >> I I grew up you got it on the website, don't you? >> Well, oh yeah. So I mean if people know I grew up learning how to play golf my taught me how took me to play golf, taught me how to play golf, taught me

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how to use particular clubs. But the other thing he taught me was, you know what, you show up and you play the golf course as it's presented to you. And he used to give my brother, my older brother and I significant grief if we complained about something. He said, "Listen," said you put the ball there,

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you have to deal with it, you know. And I I look at this and they they've taken golf and they've they've [snorts] taken something that was fun, enjoyable, and relaxing. And people put so much pressure on themselves for I mean, it was for me.

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>> They put so much pressure on themselves for betting. I mean, we got guys here who play golf, you know. today. I mean, they're zipping around out there playing golf [clears throat] and in two and a half hours 18 holes. I said, "What the hell?" >> Not even any fun. >> You don't even you don't And and the

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fact of the matter is they're here three or four times a week. >> It's necessary. >> I just don't know. >> So, when we pull plugs, like when I change a cup, you can see the sand strips. >> And that tells the superintendent, "Oh,

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everything's looking good." And same with the plugs. you know, I mean it it's done. He's got double but >> Well, anyway, we'll finish up here. >> I mean, just looking at this though, even just going looking at revenue,

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>> we're the only better time to do it would be October. That's when we start dropping off. So, we have the same amount of >> play doing October. Hey, to be honest, October is actually as the weather more mild at the end of the year. October [clears throat]

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it doesn't matter when you do it. You're getting the same amount of play whether it be August >> or September, July, like the numbers are all >> people expect it more in October though. >> It's more outing season I think. October is just too late. >> There's no course around that has

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irriation holes in the greens right now. That's all. >> No one. >> Nobody. Right. You went to every course in the area and you checked everyone. They don't have >> close enough. >> Do you? >> What's that? >> Have aation holes at res. >> I know Bay Club doesn't mean

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>> it's it's not a it's there's there's no hole there, Neil. It's it's a spot of sand where the dry jack was. >> There's not a hole. The hole is full. You know, again, >> they actually do roll true. I'll give him credit. They when he's done, they do

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roll pretty true because they are filled with sand. It's like a pool table. >> Um, but I can understand u guys that come in and pay, they don't want to see Jack on that green. >> Here, I'll make I'll make I'll make your life easier. I'm not going to airate after April and I'm not going to airate

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before November. All right. Done. Nothing. >> No TE's, no grains, no fair. Yes, it is. because you're pushing me in. You're pushing me into a time a year where things aren't going to heal and you're not going to get the maximum benefit out of it if you don't if you you know and

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that's it. And I'm not going to sit here and blow my own horn, but I'm not going to sit here and worry about what Joe on the street's doing or this guy over here is doing with his greens. You know what? There's no holes in the greens in California right now either either. But you know,

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>> you you can't there's no real significant comparison. This is discuss compromise to be made. >> Well, the disc Yeah, there's a discussion, but we're always compromising on on on one particular thing or >> we haven't compromised anything yet.

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>> Again, I'm not going to go Yeah, I'm not going to sit here and and debate it with you. Um, if you decide that, you know, it's not the >> I'm not deciding anything. The committee is >> August. >> I wouldn't change anything right now. I think it's a discussion

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>> that we have down the road. No. >> Right. things are, as you said, planned out a year in advance. Start thinking about it as we planning the year. >> Number three, fairway. >> Just wanted to let people know what has occurred down there. Um Dan Manard and I

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had the opportunity to look at um that particular bunker. He was here and I asked him, I said, "Dan, you know, we went down there and I said, "Listen," I said, "I'm not, you know, I'm not I don't have a machine and I'm not very good. I'm not a shaper. I couldn't do what couldn't have done what he did. And

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he looked at it and he said, "Well, what do you want to do?" And we discussed it and he said, "Okay, well, I can come in here and we'll get started at this particular time." And then then I said, "Listen," I said, "As long as it fits into your schedule, you know, sooner the better." So, he was able to come in.

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Basically what he did is we he we took out the contaminated sand, all the old sand, and we used that as the base for an earthn BM between what's going to be what is now a 4,000 square foot bunker and the remainder of that is

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going to end up be I mean I call it a waste area, but it's it's basically going to be uh a rough area that you know it's when when the turf becomes established, we'll be able to cut And you know it's not going to be like what's to the right hand side of the fifth hole or the left hand side of the

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second hole >> the grass soil. >> So bas Yeah, you know. Yeah, basically that's what it's going to be. >> Oh, he's efficient at what he does. There's no doubt those guys. >> Well, he's he's very good at he's very good at operating the machine. So, he took the contaminated sand out. We also

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excavated it a little bit deeper so we could get any other stones that might work their way up through frost heat, what have you. Once that was completed, we established where the drain was. Uh the drain was clogged. That's why that

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bunker used to fill up with water and it didn't drain. So we scoped out the drain. He replaced the drain, put a new drain tile in. Then we compact put compacted um clay in the base of the um bunker. That's something that used to be

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done years ago to um you know as as a bunker liner before they came out with the geoexiles and other things that they use now. Um it's not doesn't last as long as the current stuff, but given the resources we had and the time we had to do it, that's the best thing we could

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have done. Once he did that, then we bought in, you know, we um bought in the sand um and put the same it's the same bunker sand we use in all the rest of the uh uh bunkers that was put into a 5 in depth. Yes, it will be soft for a

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couple weeks. And you will think that there is too much sand in the bunker, but unfortunately that's what happens with a new bunker. >> Do we have a compactor? >> Huh? No, we don't have a compactor. What we'll do is >> John, can you get one over there? >> What we'll do is we'll

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>> we got a contact. >> We'll water it and machine rake it and water it and machine rake it and it'll it'll firm up. It just takes a little bit of time. Um it's not like the, you know, not like the asphalt, the concrete. You put it down and it turns

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to to uh you know, to to this. Um the other thing that was done is we took some of the uh our composted um aation plugs and those composted arration plugs were put in the uh waste

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area of that remained in that bunker. Um they were hydro uh they were um hydra and then they were that area was smooth and it was top dressed with loom that'll be seated and then um it should take and

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grow in and then we'll have a grass area there um similar to the rough. It won't be exactly the same as the rough but it won't be it won't be that difficult. >> So real quick, will we keep that underground and repair and then the bunker is usable or not? Well, it's going to be it's going to be ground under repair and and you know um at

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least through the the weekend anyway. Um I'm not going to you know there are areas there where I I'm not going to put a machine in there. You know, I'll have my guys hand rake it. Um >> the other thing about I mean it it's it's soft. You know, sand at a 5 inch

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depth is is soft. So you have to like I said, you have to water it to compact it. But you also even mean you can't put a roller in there some just spin and sink >> and you know so what we might try to do is use you know even a a roller that's a

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walkbehind roller um your feet are still going to sink so um we'll compact it to the best we can and it'll probably open it up the end of next week. I just don't want people um you know walking back and forth and back and forth over the earth

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and burn before it's seated. And not only that, but also trying to hit golf balls off it and stuff for some reason. You know, I I think we need to have educ an educational board. Yes, this is what ground under repair is. This is what you do and don't do in ground under repair.

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This is what you're able to do according to the rules of golf, which 99.9% of the people who play golf don't even follow. >> Well, why a fence? You can't put a ball retriever out because of stolen. >> No, [laughter] you laugh. All all eight ball retrievers that I bought, they're

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all got stolen or broken. So >> with the bunker projects, wasn't it crazy? >> Yeah, they they're they were gone. So >> yeah, you put them on hold 10. Remember that? >> Oh, this is nice. >> I put them on 10 and six. 10. >> Lost and found. >> Um

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>> the best part is that there's no water around there. So you kind of wonder why >> that was that was that was what would be done. Tomorrow we're going to seat it and we're going to put the futura mat on top of the earth and burn just to help with some possible erosion that may come with the the rains that are forecast for

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Sunday night into Monday morning. Um the other thing I want to touch base on, I mean right now we're getting to the point where you we're getting close to being too late in the year. I've mentioned this the last three meetings. Hopefully people have looked at the proposal that that Tim Garish put

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together for um for fairway contouring. Um, this is the time of year to do something like that. Um, I know that probably most of you haven't looked at that um, since I emailed it out to you. So, we can't have much of a discussion

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on it other than the fact that whether or not you feel it necessary to reshape some of your fairways or not, and if so, which ones are the ones that stick out in your minds to be the greatest in need of that type of work?

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I don't remember which ones you had on the list, but I am on board 100% with I mean I think that all of them essentially could be reshaped and narrated and narrowed just because a visual [clears throat] perspective um also a cost saving in cutting and seed

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and fertilizer for the fairways and the watering as well. Um well that because of the way in which your irrigation system's designed, you actually have very few heads that that irrigate the rough, >> right? >> Most of they put in a two row system and

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they base the irrigation of the rough on the outskirts of the two row system. Um in some instances, the two row system wasn't aligned properly. So you have portions of the fairway which aren't getting sufficient water and they go out like that. Examples of that are on the

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fifth hole and on the second hole up close to where the cart path takes a turn up towards the green. By pulling in the fairways here and there, um you allow the grass to grow somewhat taller. And anybody who plays the back side will

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notice that if you get off the fairway on the back side, the rough is nice and thick and healthy. Why? Because the primary reason primarily is because it's cut at 2 in. Mhm. >> But it also gets the effect, you know, it it needs less water and it gets less

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because it's the outskirts of the sprinkler head, but also it gets, you know, when you're when you're fair fertilizing the fairways in order to get the proper overlap, you're not going to only fertilize the fairways. You're going to have some overthrow into the rough areas and and that's what you get

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by shrinking them. You you you make it somewhat more challenging. I mean, your 14 fairway is a landing strip. >> Oh, yeah. I agree. >> I mean, It's 146,000 square ft. You can fit all your greens in there and still have room for for one or two more. >> Great hole. >> Same thing with the ninth hole is 100

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the 122,000 square feet. >> Great hole. >> Two great holes. >> Well, I'm not saying they're not great holes. I'm just saying that, you know, I I suggested that because it would give your it would give your golf course more definition. You have very little rough in in areas and you cart traffic just

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pounds the you know what out of it. and with a little bit more it gives you a little little bit less of a problem with you know wear and tear in those particular areas. So there it is. Um please take a look at it. We'll discuss it again like I said at the next

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meeting. Um and we'll probably that's something we could probably do in the spring on one or two fairways um if you're so inclined. If not so be it. >> [clears throat] >> Um, I had uh the board of selectman had a

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meeting last evening at which they approved the purchase of the Toro Procore 648 air. Maybe I won't say that. Um, and the Weedderman Terra Core 6, which is a 58

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inch PTO drive airator. >> Cancel it. >> They proved that last night. Um, the one thing they did not approve was the Toro MDX utility vehicle to be used as a supplemental beverage card. That is

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something I believe um it was mentioned at the meeting that um they would like to have someone from the committee discuss with them the justification for getting that particular

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>> machine. So, um, that's as kindly as I can put it and that's where I'll leave it. Um, we do, again, I'm going to continue to list these items because we're starting to have significant problems with our 3500 and one of our other big area rough

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mowers. Um, we've been discussing event track with accessories for the past two years. Um, during that time, the price has gone up approximately four to 5,000. It's an item to be considered an item that's going to be needed at some point

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in the relatively near future, which I would say would be 12 months. Um, utility vehicle wise, um, we're running um, a little short. We need to get rid of some of the ones that we're spending too much money on. Um, hopefully we can

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get used ones like we did before, which would cost less. And our tractors are inching up. I mean, we bought them in um 2006 from RF Morse and at that time they were used um we're going to have to put one of them into service um this fall or

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excuse me this winter because we have a problem with the hydraulic system and the lift arm um lifting up the any attachments to go on the back and is something beyond our scope of work because the tractor has to be split in half to be able to do this and we don't

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have the capability to do that. So that's why there's a tractor listed there. Um, and last uh things are current current and future concerns. You've seen most of this before. Um, again, the reason I put it there and repeat it is because I don't want you to

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forget it because if you forget it, then it's going to jump up and bite us in the butt at some point when we don't have the money to repair it. And if your gas tank jumps up and bites you in the butt, then you have no way to fuel your equipment, whether it be gas or diesel.

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But we are looking and trying to move forward as best we can for an additional building to store equipment and materials. Um, we've been I've been doing some research on this. Um, we're looking at probably a 52 by 60 by 6 in

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deep concrete pad is going to cost somewhere in the neighborhood of $9,000 depending on who does it. That price we're looking at at uh 58 yards of concrete at approximately $150 a yard might be a little bit less. Uh the price

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for concrete going price right now is between 125 and 170 per yard. Um, one additional storage container to be the back wall of the the the uh building. Um, I've got a price quote on that. It's

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a 40 by8 storage container s exact similar to the ones that we have except it has drawers on both ends as opposed to one which makes it capable for you to load equipment in from both ends but also makes it so you don't put something in the back end of the machine or the storage container and it gets lost

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forever which we did with one thing that we have in ours currently. Um we're al uh on to cover that would be a gable roof uh with a two-ft overhang on each side. Um, we're looking currently researching what that would cost. And

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then we're looking at the front facade or a front wall which would include an overhead door. I've discussed this with uh couple guys on my staff. One of my retired guys who actually retired completely um from here at the beginning

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of the year used to be in construction, used to build houses. Um, and the opinion is is that we can probably make that uh front facade ourselves. Um, and and you know, put it up. The only thing

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we'd have to buy would be an overhead door because obviously we can't make that. Although, you know, if we could find two big barn doors big enough, we could have doors that swing to the side as opposed to up in the air. But that's where we are with that. I'm going to continue to pursue it because we

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basically have no room in here to work. Um, we have no part storage whatsoever and the extent of the work that we're have going to have to do on equipment is only to going to get greater. It's not going to diminish anytime soon. Um, the

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other thing that would go hand in hand with that is the hookup for electricity and lights which we can run a wire from. We have room in our current box. Um, discussed this today. Um, we can run wire through the back side of this

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building and out to the other building. We can either put it underground or we can put it above ground. Just depends on how we want to do that. Again, I mentioned the pesticide storage building. We It's not adequate size. Um, it really doesn't meet OSHA standards

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for pesticide storage. Um, and it is not heated, which requires us to move all the materials that were in it inside this building. And the only portion of this building which is heated is this side. So, we're working with pesticides the entire winter inside this building

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because we have no other place to put them. >> Um, again, doing the outside building and all that still wouldn't alleviate that issue though. Is that correct? >> No. >> Okay.

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>> But you know, and again, this has this goes hand inand with where you want to go is the golf course. The current the pesticide building that you have and the current thoughts on pesticide storage in the past, nobody really paid attention to them. Yeah, we'll just stick it over there in the corner. We won't worry

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about it. Now you have significant labor related issues, significant exposure issues. They've always been there, but now people have brought them to the forefront and people have bought them in a position where you have to, you know, they've made regulations and laws about

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them. Most pesticide storage is done through a building which is specifically for the storage of the sprayers, not out here where I have where everybody has to walk by it every day. It's not good for the machine because you break something on a sprayer and it's more expensive

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than if you break something on a push loader or what have you. But the other thing about it is that the sprayers are stored in there. Your mixing and loading is stored in there and your pesticides are stored in there. So you completely eliminate exposure. You are better

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suited for mixing and loading as well as cleaning the machines off and storage of the materials. And if it's heated and it's supposed to be vented properly, so no nothing um you know, no fumes cause any issues with with um anyone. That's

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why I try to pull our inventory down as low as possible and and use up as what we need to use and not bring it in because I can't store it anywhere. And you know, it's um that's where you want

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to be as far and that's where you're going to be forced to be at some point in the future because of you know staff safety and whatnot and all you need is is to have one accident and then they're going to shut you down completely and then you're going to have you know you're going to have significant issues.

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Um so it's not something that we oh yeah we can just get to that. Same thing with the gasoline tanks. the the fuel vent doesn't work properly. You fill it up, it doesn't indicate when it's full at the right time and the fuel spills out,

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you know, um for the most part, we've been able to keep, you know, to clean it up. But these are things that you, you know, that have to be addressed at some point. Um and >> have you gotten a quote on that? >> I'm trying to find somebody who I mean, we I used to be able to go and had distributors who sold above ground

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storage tanks. I haven't been able to find anybody who It's sells the above about vast storage tank and then you does installation and what have you at the same time. Right now I'm trying to get I'm talking with uh I'm gonna been talking with the folks at Nunan to see

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if we you know if they know somebody obviously they deal with these things all the time >> and I you know Dan and I have been talking about where they you know who he has because his you know his is more regulated than ours because his vehicles actually go out onto the road. Ours don't you know technically but

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>> [clears throat] >> Steve, do you do you have a list of every piece of equipment that's in here? >> Yes. >> Can you email that to me? >> I'll I'll shoot you email. Can you send that over to me? Take a look at it. >> Yeah. I mean, I've got um it's the um

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this most current inventory. So, it'll have um it'll have all the equipment listed by by class. Um and then by [clears throat] the the values on there might not be up to date because the you know um I'd have to go.

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>> I'm just curious. >> And then one one thing from I >> Yeah. >> Okay. Uh there was just a comment from a customer um last week when it was really hot was the comment was that the uh the cooler was empty one of the water cools

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on the course. So the thought was before on a on a on a week where it's going to be maybe 85 plus before your guys leave could they just top off those four or five coolers that are out there? >> Yeah. The water coolers get the water coolers get changed out or filled every day >> um

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>> in the morning. Well, it depending on the day, it could be first thing in the morning or it could be around eight or nine o'clock is somebody or 10 o'clock is somebody's second job. It all depend, you know, and and two, I mean, they'll they'll um they

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ice them and and fill them. Um what we normally run into on the hotter hotter days is, you know, people don't use cups, they use water bottles. >> Fill them up, right? >> They fill them up and they >> and leave it in their c >> and they, you know, there's no uh

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There's no water. >> No, nine nine times out of 10 I've attempted a problem. I feel like a week that >> Yeah. We can we can go out a second time and fill them up. Like for instance, on a day like Tuesday, we filled them up, but we didn't bother to fill them on

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Wednesday because PJ Keing had everything on their own and they were 99.9% full anyway. So, I don't like to leave the water in them any longer than one possibly two days because it gets stale and it tastes like a cooler. So,

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All right. Then just the update with the house. So our next step is as we heard from George last time is advertising for the uh design that out there. So we got that all put together. You have to put out to

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be published a week in advance. So he did that this week. So it'll be official officially published next week on the 19th. It'll be here on the site in September 1 at 2 o'clock to me. Any interested >> I guess we want to look at >> what's the date of the week is that >> that's a Tuesday.

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>> I might the 31st is a Monday. the first Tuesday >> might be able to make that >> and then proposals by September 10th and then hopefully even kind of like we did with George and them

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if we'd want you know we'll obviously have the packets to review if we want them to come in and present those in person we can do that and then just get them picked and then it'll be assigned to that >> so so the RFQ isn't going out until the 19th is that what you said is that >> correct yeah so I mean it gets it gets

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submitted to this. You have to advertise it in a specific state publication. So you have to put that it's more than a week in advance. So that went out this week, but the people who get that publication won't get it until the time. >> Is the RFQ, >> right?

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So you're looking >> Does that have to be when we open the bid the public open? >> No, because it's not a bid. There's no pricing in this. It's just like >> our [snorts] thing. >> We're trying to find the people who are qualified qualifying. So then they get proposals.

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>> They'll just be due by >> the end of the day on September 10th. Actually, I think it's whatever the time was on September 10th. And then part of it will be like hard copy but also PDF so we can get them if we want to look at them but also PDF get shared out to everybody again so we can look at them

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right away. >> I just wanted you guys to know those dates for that. >> Now that onsite briefing meets here >> um I mean [laughter] we'll be on the golf course.

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>> Yeah the golf course be at River. >> [snorts] >> So if you know prospective architect wants to just come and >> see the site they haven't already >> look and see where we're all thinking we'd like this to be just they can get a feel for if they've got any questions

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before they submit their own proposal to us and their qualifications the next meeting. >> I'm not here the 6 to the 21st. So, >> I leave on the 24th, but that doesn't matter.

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>> Does it make sense to do the week after the proposals are due to look at that or is that too late? >> That' be the 17th. 17. >> We could do I know it's the week after, but do 22nd and 23rd between

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>> I leave when he gets back. >> I know it's not a Thursday, 22nd or 23rd. >> To get everyone here is what you're trying to do. >> When he gets back the 21st, I leave the 24th. those two days where everybody's here if everybody's available.

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>> I can do either one of those two days. I can do either. >> Okay. 22nd. >> Yeah. >> First day of >> Tuesday. Tuesday. >> Tuesday 22 >> 22nd, right?

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>> Yep. >> Here. >> Okay. Nice pen. >> [snorts] >> Yeah, they didn't supply to adjurnn. >> Thank you. >> Make a motion. >> I'll second it. All in favor?

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>> I thank you. [music] Heat. Heat. [music]